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WYSIWYG, GUI, visual and non-semantic editors: part of my review of 9 WYSIWYG editors

From: Robert Burns <rob@robburns.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:50:14 -0500
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To: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>

   A chapter should be devoted to visual editing UAs
   The WYSIWYG categorization is not focussed enough
   Either the visual editing UAs chapter or another chapter should  
discuss non-semantic editing UAs and converters
   Another chapter should cover sending and receiving Mail
   Another chapter should content management solutions

Taxonomy of editing UAs and converting UAs: WYSIWYG, GUI, visual, and  
semantic, non-semantic
Currently the chapter addresses WYSIWYG editing UAs. However, the  
term WYSIWYG does not really fit here. WYSIWYG often is used to  
describe fidelity between screen and print versions of the same  
document. In the context of HTML editing UA, it often implies user- 
invoked or live rendered view of the HTML. This can occur even when  
the editor is a text editor (for example BBEdit is a GUI text editor  
that provides WYSIWYG editing). With this in mind, I think clarifying  
precisely how to use these terms is warranted. Also, I think the main  
topic that needs to be addressed is how non-semantic editing UAs and  
converting UAs should produce HTML serializations (either text/html  
or XML).

The key categories to consider here are:

WYSIWYG versus source-view only
GUI versus Command-line
Visual versus non-visual
Semantic versus non-semantic\

Considering BBEdit again, this is n HTML editor that is WYSIWYG, GUI,  
non-visual and mostly semantic (though flexible). Another editor such  
as emacs is a source-view-only,  command-line, non-visual and  
flexible with respect to semantics or non-semantics. NVU represents  
an example of a WYSIWYG, GUI, visual and largely non-semantic editor.

Microsoft Word constitutes a non-HTML editor that has the ability to  
convert its content to HTML. As a converter, the other aspects really  
do not come into play. Here we're only concerned with its native  
format and its ability and likelihood  of containing semantic  
constructs. Since Word is largely a non-semantic editor it will  
produce mostly non-semantic data. The conversion of a word file to  
HTML should similarly produce non-semantic output. This could be done  
entirely through DIV and SPAN elements and with linked or embedded  
stylesheets (TextEdit on Mac OS X is an excellent example of a  
WYSIWYG , GUI, visual, non-semantic editor that produces great fully  
conforming HTML output separating HTML from CSS). The converter may  
also use the I and B elements to map from italics and bold styling  
respectively. Some formats may even contain headings (implicit and  
explicit) data and be able to successfully map semantic concepts of  
such things as paragraphs, sections, and headings into the converted  
HTML. Other semantics may be included in a format produced by a  
largely non-semantic editor. Converters should do their best to  
preserve and map those semantics to the appropriate HTML constructs,  
but should be careful in heuristically mapping non-semantics to  
semantic constructs.

WYSIWYG editing UAs
The current draft basically addresses the issue of WYSIWYG editing  
UAs in relation to the FONT element and the @style attribute.  
However, these are more problems of a non-semantic editor[1] than  
anything inherent to WYSIWYG editing UAs. The chapter should be  
renamed accordingly.

Moreover, there's nothing really gained by maintaining a separate  
element to HTML5 named FONT. This offers no additional semantic  
information than DIV or SPAN. It simply adds a distinction where none  
exists. Non-semantic editing UAs, and converting UAs converting from  
non-semantic formats, should simply use DIV or SPAN. Whatever ways  
HTML5 pursues to associate style sheet data should also be used,  
whether that is an @style attribute, embedded style sheets or linked  
style sheets.

So much of what is said in this chapter is both misdirected and  
unnecessary for HTML5. The chapter as written should be removed.  
However, we certainly have a need to provide norms and other guidance  
for authoring tools: particularly non-semantic authoring tools  
whether they be editing UAs or converting UAs.

We should also provide guidance for semantic visual editing UAs to  
ensure these authoring tools provide the best possible HTML output  
they can provide. Since the visual interface in these editing UAs  
provides a layer of abstraction between the author and the content  
produced by the tool, it is important to keep the visual layer and  
the underlying source output as tightly integrated as possible.

Fully-semantic visual editing UAs.

For visual editing UAs that are fully semantic, we should provide the  
following guidance and norms:

   Editing UAs must map visual objects accurately to HTML constructs.
     - a strong emphasis menu item or button to the STRONG element
     - a bold menu item to the B element.
    - an editor that produces a 2D grid or spreadsheet might map that  
to a table

   Editing UAs must avoid performing heuristics from authors work,  
without providing immediate visual feedback to authors and must allow  
authors to override the heuristics.
     - an editor that adds @headers attributes to TD elements or  
@scope attributes to TH elements should present the associated cells  
to the author (editing UAs may even want to present associations to  
provide feedback when not adding @scope or @headers)

   Editing UAs must not include attributes or elements to round-end  
conformance norms without direct author action
     - adding alt='' to an IMG element to fool conformance checkers).
     - adding summary='' to a TABLE element

   Editing UAs that provide greater semantic differentiation than  
HTML, should use the @class attribute to provide its own semantic  
extensions to HTML.
     - a DocBook editor might use a <p class='' > ... or <div  
class='' >... to express the semantics of a ...

   Visual Editing UAs must provide a mechanism for authors to edit  
other portions of the document outside the main flow, including  
metadata and attributes and element contents not otherwise visible  
from the default styling (OBJECT, long descriptions, TABLE summary,  
     - OBJECT contents
     - @title, @class, @xml:lang and other global attributes
     -  document fragment contents targeted by @longdesc
     - TABLE summary
     - TD and TH @abbr attributes
     - @alt attribute
     - @href and @src attributes

These norms should apply to Editing UAs claiming to be hTML Editing  
UAs as well as to Editing UAs that natively manipulate other semantic  
content that can be fully mapped to HTML.

Non-semantic (partially or fully non-semantic) editing UAs and UAs  
converting non-semantic content:

For editing UAs that visually expose non-semantic constructs or  
semantic constructs that express fewer semantics, then HTML, a  
difficulty arises in mapping the vocabulary of the tool to the  
vocabulary of HTML.  Accordingly, we should develop a series of norms  
for these editing editing UAs  and UAs that convert formats  to  
deal with the semantic deficiencies.

 Editing UAs and converters must not map presentational constructs  
to semantic constructs
     -  must not map bold to STRONG or italics to EM.
     - must not map italics to STRONG or italics to EM
     - should map bold to B and italics to I.

   Editing UAs and converters must solicit user input when  
heuristically mapping presentational idioms to semantic HTML constructs

   Editing UAs and converters of non-semantic constructs should map  
presentation with ambiguous semantics to SPAN and DIV elements;  
incorporate @class and @id attributes on these elements as and  
convert the presentational properties of the elements as CSS (either  
in a linked separate stylesheet or as an embedded stylesheet) [2].

By keeping the issues of WYSIWYG, GUI, visual and semantic separate,  
we will send a clearer message to editing and converting tools.  
Following this approach there is no need to lower the bar for visual  
editing UAs. Even for non-semantic tools, the bar need not be  
lowered. These tools could still use linked or embedded stylesheets  
and id and class selectors to preserve presentation information. Even  
if we followed an earlier suggestion of mine [3] to  require authors  
include at least one attribute on each SPAN (and DIV), the non- 
semantic tools would still produce fully compliant content since  
their SPAN and DIV elements would need to include a @style, @class or  
@id attribute.

Take care,

[1]: Nicholas Schanks has an interesting example of using FONT in an  
entirely semantic (though very rarefied) way <http://lists.whatwg.org/ 
htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-April/010899.html>. I don't think  
HTML calls for that level of specialized semantic. That could be left  
to a TypographyML or something like that.
[2]: Again, see Apple's TextEdit application for an example of a non- 
semantic editor that could produce fully compliant HTML5.
[3]: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0963.html>
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