- From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:47:37 -0700
- To: Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>
- Cc: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>, Matthew Raymond <mattraymond@earthlink.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, public-html@w3.org, Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer <sebastian@dreamlab.net>
- Message-ID: <OF24E5EB21.96255A2C-ON882572CD.007C7952-882572CD.007D3649@ca.ibm.com>
Hi Daniel, DG: I am deeply familiar with the implementation and deployment of such forms in a 130,000 employees company. And I'm french living in France, the true country of paroxystic bureaucracy where forms are a way of life. You can't compete :-) JB: I can appreciate that you have experienced some "fun" with forms problems given your experience. But 130,000 is still far shy of the "millions" of people were are supposed to be considering (to quote from Tim BL's blog at http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/4). Government to citizen forms are exactly what I have in mind, and that's millions per country. But there are also financial organizations who want to be able to deliver similar functionality related to international trading across multiple geos. John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com> 04/29/2007 12:22 AM To John Boyer/CanWest/IBM@IBMCA cc Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>, Matthew Raymond <mattraymond@earthlink.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, public-html@w3.org, Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer <sebastian@dreamlab.net> Subject Re: About the Web Forms 2 proposal John Boyer wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I am deeply familiar with requirements of forms for vertical industries. I am deeply familiar with the implementation and deployment of such forms in a 130,000 employees company. And I'm french living in France, the true country of paroxystic bureaucracy where forms are a way of life. You can't compete :-) > 1) Weaknesses in CSS should not be used as an excuse for limiting > innovation in HTML, otherwise limitations in HTML will then be used as > an excuse for limiting advancement of CSS. My comment was unrelated to HTML and strictly limited to CSS. > 2a) Verticals like insurance are finding huge benefits from XForms. You > completely miss the point. The spreadsheet was built to move power *out > of the hands* of expensive professionals and into the hands of people > closer to the domain experts. XForms seeks the same effect now. Before > high level language were invented, only expensive contractors were able > to maintain the machine language needed for computer programs. Now > we're having the same thing happen with the machine language of the web, > and it's time to learn the high level language lesson again. "Verticals" as you call them don't want another Oracle Forms given how much they've paid for that for the last 15 years. > 2b) Why on earth do you think XForms is different in spirit than the > "main content language's"? I never said that. You are drawing your own conclusions here. </Daniel>
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