TELECON AGENDA - 08 OCT 2008

Regrets so far: Erik (possible)
Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST)
Duration: 90 minutes

Previous minutes: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Oct/0005.html
IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-forms-minutes.html

Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
Kenneth/MarkS, MarkB/Paul, Raman, Susan, Nick, Keith, 
Ulrich/Sebastian, Rafael/Rogelio, Charlie, Steven, Erik

AGENDA ITEMS:
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* = be ready to discuss

REPORTS (20 minutes)
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Upcoming telecons

Next FtF (October 15-16 Virtual, Oct. 20-21 Cannes)
* Agenda items needed
Meeting time with XMLSec (11-12:30)
Meeting request to WebApps was refused
Meeting with HTML WG on Thursday Oct. 23
- Overview: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/
- Registration: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/
- Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule

* The Forms Newsletter/News items
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Oct/0008.html
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Oct/0003.html

XForms 1.1
- Editor to incorporate Appendix E Input Mode changes from Steven
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Aug/0052.html
- Submission headers fix
* Implementation report progress?

XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1

* Rich Web Application Backplane


ACTION ITEMS (5 minutes)
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Action Item List:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0033.html

* Leigh and Kenneth: 1.0 Basic impl report? 
* Nick: Bind module progress?
* Uli: Submission module progress?

BUG FIX ISSUES (15 minutes)
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* Why are Events attributes on the model element?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0008.html

* Common event info not exposed in event() function
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Aug/0048.html
Discussed  Aug. 20, 2008.  Deferred to 1.2 or later.
But can't we get this in XML Events 2?
Upgrade to http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080625/

Are xforms-insert and xforms-delete notification events?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Aug/0066.html

Submission header problem
- Duplicate headers same keyname more than one value. 
- How are multiple values handled?
- Serializer receives multiple values and decides what to do
- Put a pointer to http
- must order be preserved?
- intra convertible to single header with comma separated
- What if values themselves are comma separated?
- Beyond order, do we need a combiner for append versus replace
- Accept type?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0000.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0004.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Sep/0003.html

XBRL
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008May/0011.html

The meaning of message
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0013.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0012.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0011.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0010.html

The repeat-* attributes
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-forms/2006OctDec/0232.html


ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES (0 minutes)
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Forms Task Force
- Latest: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Jun/0000.html
- Architecture alignment strawman: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0068.html

Fix our shortname issue
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions

Marketing of XForms
Name/Tagline: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0060.html
Community: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0054.html

FUTURE VERSION ISSUES (50 minutes)
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* Face to face agenda

* Modularization
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features

* Streamlined syntax module
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html
- WebForms-A Primer needed
- Need to improve table sample through styling
- How to represent setvalue, insert, delete, etc.
- Need authorship of remaining sections

Currency data values, etc.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0041.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0043.html

Review of XPath Functions Module
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/instance/xpathFunctions/index-all.html
- Review new organization before splitting
- Issues in 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Aug/0023.html

Review of Bind Module
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/model/bind/index-all.html

Draft Instance Data Module
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Aug/0055.html

Review of Actions module
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/instance/actions/index-all.html
- Reference to XHTML Modularization, and explanation of meaning of 
ampersand
- XML Events, if/while
- Examples are very dependent on things not defined

We should automate boolean-from-string() on the boolean MIPs (relevant, 
readonly, constraint)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0069.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0077.html

Validity notification on initial or hidden data
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008May/0015.html
- Isn't it about time we add an xforms-control-initialize event?
- Seems we need it for modularization to work right
- Defer to face to face meeting

The xforms-link-exception
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0001.html
Discussed Aug. 20, 2008. Need to dispatch xforms-link-error to 
instance rather than link-exception to model. For legacy, if the
link-error bubbles up to model, it could throw link-exception, but
then the author can prevent the exception by cancelling the error
Note: xforms-link-error is not currently cancellable
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0003.html

xforms-submit-done response-body and host language submission result 
targeting
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0048.html
Discussed 21 May 2008; perhaps only for replace="none"
Concern was about efficiency.  Could add "want-response-body" default 
false in
xforms-submit, then if turned true the response-body would be non-empty in 
the
xforms-submit-done.  Host language could then push response-body content 
to
a new window.

XForms 2.0
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Refactor dependencies to detect automatic rebuild conditions and reduce 
circular dependencies
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0069/2008-05-28.html#topic6

Make progress on Model improvements (optional model, nested model, 
external model)
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Make_model_optional
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Externally_defined_models_with_src_attribute


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