- From: Keith Wells <wellsk@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:43:28 -0400
- To: public-forms-tf@w3.org, public-forms-tf-request@w3.org
- Cc: "Anne van Kesteren" <annevk@opera.com>, Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com
- Message-ID: <OF49FAEF33.E842A1B8-ON8725745C.004ED1A1-8525745C.0066D908@us.ibm.com>
Hi! The XForms WG and HTML WG should focus on the web community, and “Architectural Consistency” should be for the convenience of the web community at-large and not necessarily for the convenience of Standards writers. “Architectural Consistency”, seemingly the primary concern of this task force, should be defined as well-thought-out, foundational and unambiguous open standards. As Nick and earlier appends have stated, the XForms Working group is streamlining XForms 1.2 for web authors. XForms has the features needed for today's HTML forms, features in HTML which do not exist today, and we are working to map these features into web author friendly syntax to allow incremental adoption and addition of features to the overall "XForms Client-Side" processing model. But more, we believe that folding in XForms features along with this streamlined approach to HTML are architecturally consistent with a "Common Client-Side" processing model. Isn't this the goal for this TF? It is our hope that these guidelines for the design of the XForms 1.2 syntax brings Maciej's comments[1] into clearer focus for this TF to consider: The forms vocabulary must leverage terms from W3C Recommendations where it is possible to do so in lieu of new terms. Simple extensions to existing terms must take priority over new terms. The forms vocabulary must allow a seamless mapping from a conceptual single-layer authoring style to the model-view-controller-submission architecture of XForms. The forms vocabulary must allow the use of terms familiar to today's web authors for the conceptual single-layer authoring style The forms vocabulary must allow the terms that map to the XForms architecture to be extended to terms that are unique to the HTML forms presentational layer. The forms vocabulary must allow incremental author opt-in of the key components and processing models of XForms as they are needed. The forms vocabulary must allow a named form control to be synonymous with the datum it collects, thereby implying a data layer. The forms vocabulary must allow the data layer to be hierarchic based on hierarchy expressed in the user interface. The forms vocabulary must allow simple declarative XPath expressions for dynamic data value and property calculations. The forms vocabulary must allow properties of a datum to be expressed as attributes of the corresponding form control in the conceptual single-layer authoring style. The forms vocabulary must allow dynamic change to the presentation via mutation of the data layer. The forms vocabulary terms must work in HTML with no namespace qualification. Comments? [1]<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Apr/0017.html> Thanks, Keith Nick_Van_den_Blee ken@inventivegrou p.com To Sent by: "Anne van Kesteren" public-forms-tf-r <annevk@opera.com> equest@w3.org cc public-forms-tf@w3.org, public-forms-tf-request@w3.org 05/22/2008 03:27 Subject AM Re: Status update In principal I agree with the criteria outlined by Maciej. And personally for me point 4 (Both are reasonably aligned in their capabilities where they overlap, without gratuitous differences.) would be a criteria that I prefer that we (the Forms TF) incorporate in our 'guidelines'. This will ensure that authors can easily switch between HTML Forms, XForms and 'WebForms', it will also ensure an that an easy automated conversion between HTML Forms, XForms and WebForms is possible. And therefore the XForms WG is looking at a streamlined XForms syntax to see how feasible this criteria is. I know that this is one of the hardest criteria in the list but I think we should try satisfy this criteria to make life easier for the users of our specs. Regards, Nick Van den Bleeken - Research & Development Manager Inventive Designers Phone: +32 - 3 - 8210170 Fax: +32 - 3 - 8210171 Email: Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com "Anne van Kesteren" <annevk@opera.com> Sent by: public-forms-tf-request@w3.or To g Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegrou p.com, public-forms-tf@w3.org cc 05/21/2008 10:56 PM Subject Re: Status update On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:45:06 +0200, <Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com> wrote: > What do you think about this approach? I think it would therefore be better if the rest of the Task Force, especially those who are also a member of the Forms WG, gave input to what Maciej outlined in April[1] as it seems there's still implicit disagreement over what we should focus on. [1]<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Apr/0017.html> -- Anne van Kesteren <http://annevankesteren.nl/.> <http://www.opera.com/> -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Inventive Designers' Email Disclaimer: http://www.inventivedesigners.com/email-disclaimer -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. --
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