- From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 23:09:07 -0300
- To: Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>
- Cc: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANx1PzxcCQ038X=DhsYQjGLrv-t9DE2ppOLN2MGzvUQn_3wPfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all, Thanks for the comments and suggestions! @Phil, in a previuos message, Lewis made the following comment about guidance x BP: "We seem to be using terminology for “guidance” and “best practices” synonymously/interchangeably. I am not sure that this is a good idea. I would proposed that we either stick with either one or the other. The difference here would be that guidance is suggested but of secondary/tertiary importance whereas best practice is moving towards 5 star data on the Web. " I think it is better to say that the document provides "best practices" instead of "guidance". Maybe we can include the following sentence at the end of the section: "The document is not targeted solely at data publishers; others interested on using the published data are encouraged to read it." kind regards, Bernadette 2015-01-07 19:13 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>: > I agree with what you wrote Annette, but I'm still leaning toward > brevity. I could be persuaded to still include your added sentence as a > footnote somewhere in the document, because I like the tone of > inclusiveness. > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote: > >> I think this muddies the picture a little bit. If we hint that we are >> attempting to provide guidance to people other than publishers, then we >> need to explain that. (Who else? Why would I want to read it if I’m not a >> data publisher?) >> >> I’m fine with the simpler language, but I’ll offer this alternative to >> the alternative. >> >> This document provides guidance to those who publish data on the Web. The >> best practices are designed to meet the needs of information management >> staff, developers, and wider groups such as scientists interested in >> sharing and reusing research data on the Web. We encourage anyone involved >> in the data life cycle to become familiar with them, as today’s data >> consumers are tomorrow’s data publishers. Every attempt has been made to >> make the document as readable and usable as possible while still retaining >> the accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification. >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> 510-495-2935 >> >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote: >> >> > I offer this: >> > >> > This document provides guidance primarily to those who publish data on >> the Web. The best practices are designed to meet the needs of information >> management staff, developers and wider groups such as scientists interested >> in sharing and reusing research data on the Web. Every attempt has been >> made to make the document as readable and usable as possible while still >> retaining the accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification. >> > >> > Use/edit/discard at will >> > >> > Phil. >> > >> > On 07/01/2015 18:38, Annette Greiner wrote: >> >> +1 !! >> >> -- >> >> Annette Greiner >> >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> 510-495-2935 >> >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> +1 >> >>> >> >>> abrcLau >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2015-01-07 11:50 GMT-02:00 Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br >> >: >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> I'm doing the updates on the document and I'd like to know your >> opinion about the text for the Audience section. >> >>> >> >>> After our last meeting, we got an agreement that the doc may have a >> primary and a secondary audience.However, I'm not sure if it is necessary >> to say this explicitly on the text. >> >>> >> >>> The current text is: >> >>> This document provides guidance to those who publish data on the Web, >> as well as those who consume data on the Web. These best practices have >> been written to meet the needs of many different audiences from developers >> and information management staff to scientists interested in sharing and >> reusing research data on the Web. Every attempt has been made to make the >> document as readable and usable as possible while still retaining the >> accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification. >> >>> >> >>> I propose to change the first sentence to: >> >>> This document provides best practices to those who publish data on >> the Web. >> >>> >> >>> What do you think? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> Bernadette >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2014-12-19 11:29 GMT-03:00 Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Bernadette, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Ø I am still not convinced that the DWBP document is not interesting >> for re-users (already using the terminology presented by Makx) even if the >> scope is just BP for data publishers. If re-users will manipulate the data, >> don't you think that it will be good if they have some knowledge about the >> best practices used to create and publish the data? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> So let’s try to define ‘audience’. I think the ‘audience’ for the BP >> document is the group of people that we want to act on the best practice. >> In the BP document, we’re trying to tell data publishers to do things in a >> certain way. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> This does not say that we’re not allowing anyone else, especially the >> data consumers; to read the document, but we’re not telling them to do >> anything themselves. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> What will happen is that when data consumers read the document, they >> might note that a particular publisher does not follow best practice as >> described in the BP document. If that happens, they could contact the >> publisher and complain. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> This is similar to the European Union’s Directive on the re-use of >> public sector information. That Directive tells public sector bodies what >> they MUST and MUST NOT do. Anyone who wants to re-use information can read >> the Directive and the national law that implements it and then complain if >> a particular public sector body does not adhere to the principles laid down >> in the Directive. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Makx. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> >>> Centro de Informática >> >>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> . . . .. . . >> >>> . . . .. >> >>> . .. . >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > Phil Archer >> > W3C Data Activity Lead >> > http://www.w3.org/2013/data/ >> > >> > http://philarcher.org >> > +44 (0)7887 767755 >> > @philarcher1 >> > >> >> >> > -- Bernadette Farias Lóscio Centro de Informática Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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