Re: Call for comments on open questions about the audience for the DWBP doc

Hi all,

Thanks for the comments and suggestions!

@Phil, in a previuos message, Lewis made the following comment about
guidance x BP:

"We seem to be using terminology for “guidance” and “best practices”
synonymously/interchangeably.  I am not sure that this is a good idea. I
would proposed that we either stick with either one or the other. The
difference here would be that guidance is suggested but of
secondary/tertiary importance whereas best practice is moving towards 5
star data on the Web. "

I think it is better to say that the document provides "best practices"
instead of "guidance".

Maybe we can include the following sentence at the end of the section:
"The document is not targeted solely at data publishers; others interested
on using the published data are encouraged to read it."

kind regards,
Bernadette



2015-01-07 19:13 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>:

> I agree with what you wrote Annette, but I'm still leaning toward
> brevity.  I could be persuaded to still include your added sentence as a
> footnote somewhere in the document, because I like the tone of
> inclusiveness.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I think this muddies the picture a little bit. If we hint that we are
>> attempting to provide guidance to people other than publishers, then we
>> need to explain that. (Who else? Why would I want to read it if I’m not a
>> data publisher?)
>>
>> I’m fine with the simpler language, but I’ll offer this alternative to
>> the alternative.
>>
>> This document provides guidance to those who publish data on the Web. The
>> best practices are designed to meet the needs of information management
>> staff, developers, and wider groups such as scientists interested in
>> sharing and reusing research data on the Web. We encourage anyone involved
>> in the data life cycle to become familiar with them, as today’s data
>> consumers are tomorrow’s data publishers. Every attempt has been made to
>> make the document as readable and usable as possible while still retaining
>> the accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification.
>> --
>> Annette Greiner
>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>> 510-495-2935
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I offer this:
>> >
>> > This document provides guidance primarily to those who publish data on
>> the Web. The best practices are designed to meet the needs of information
>> management staff, developers and wider groups such as scientists interested
>> in sharing and reusing research data on the Web. Every attempt has been
>> made to make the document as readable and usable as possible while still
>> retaining the accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification.
>> >
>> > Use/edit/discard at will
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>> > On 07/01/2015 18:38, Annette Greiner wrote:
>> >> +1 !!
>> >> --
>> >> Annette Greiner
>> >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>> >> 510-495-2935
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> +1
>> >>>
>> >>> abrcLau
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2015-01-07 11:50 GMT-02:00 Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br
>> >:
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm doing the updates on the document and I'd like to know your
>> opinion about the text for the Audience section.
>> >>>
>> >>> After our last meeting, we got an agreement that the doc may have a
>> primary and a secondary audience.However, I'm not sure if it is necessary
>> to say this explicitly on the text.
>> >>>
>> >>> The current text is:
>> >>> This document provides guidance to those who publish data on the Web,
>> as well as those who consume data on the Web. These best practices have
>> been written to meet the needs of many different audiences from developers
>> and information management staff to scientists interested in sharing and
>> reusing research data on the Web. Every attempt has been made to make the
>> document as readable and usable as possible while still retaining the
>> accuracy and clarity needed in a technical specification.
>> >>>
>> >>> I propose to change the first sentence to:
>> >>> This document provides best practices to those who publish data on
>> the Web.
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!
>> >>> Bernadette
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2014-12-19 11:29 GMT-03:00 Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Bernadette,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ø  I am still not convinced that the DWBP document is not interesting
>> for re-users (already using the terminology presented by Makx) even if the
>> scope is just BP for data publishers. If re-users will manipulate the data,
>> don't you think that it will be good if they have some knowledge about the
>> best practices used to create and publish the data?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So let’s try to define ‘audience’. I think the ‘audience’ for the BP
>> document is the group of people that we want to act on the best practice.
>> In the BP document, we’re trying to tell data publishers to do things in a
>> certain way.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This does not say that we’re not allowing anyone else, especially the
>> data consumers; to read the document, but we’re not telling them to do
>> anything themselves.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What will happen is that when data consumers read the document, they
>> might note that a particular publisher does not follow best practice as
>> described in the BP document. If that happens, they could contact the
>> publisher and complain.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This is similar to the European Union’s Directive on the re-use of
>> public sector information. That Directive tells public sector bodies what
>> they MUST and MUST NOT do. Anyone who wants to re-use information can read
>> the Directive and the national law that implements it and then complain if
>> a particular public sector body does not adhere to the principles laid down
>> in the Directive.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Makx.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>> >>> Centro de Informática
>> >>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Phil Archer
>> > W3C Data Activity Lead
>> > http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>> >
>> > http://philarcher.org
>> > +44 (0)7887 767755
>> > @philarcher1
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>


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Bernadette Farias Lóscio
Centro de Informática
Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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