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Re: Call for comments on open questions about the audience for the DWBP doc

From: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:15:07 -0800
Cc: public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
Message-Id: <9F89C3CC-7D53-4604-BFAC-9C68E52E7C71@lbl.gov>
To: Yaso <yaso@nic.br>
I think there is no bright line between data consumer and developer. They are not mutually exclusive terms. But it doesn’t bother me to see both mentioned here, as some people will identify as one or the other. 

Regarding whether a consumer is consuming data or information, that gets into a philosophical argument that I think is not worth trying to sort out in a best practices document. I think we could find proponents for both.
-Annette

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Annette Greiner
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On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Yaso <yaso@nic.br> wrote:

> I like it too!
> 
> although I'm a little bit confused about this line between the ~data
> consumer~ and the developer. If the difference is
> 
> the data consumer reads data
> the developer manipulate it and/or reuse (or just archive it)
> 
> I would like to ask the group opinion on the understanding that the user
> that wants to consume data by reading it - or interacting with it, in
> the case of DataVis, and some user interfaces like dashboards isn't
> exactly consuming data but consuming information.
> 
> I may be being over-zealousness, but WCAG, usability, and criteria like
> human interface design are more related to information consuming and not
> to data consuming...
> 
> -yaso
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/19/14 12:26 PM, Annette Greiner wrote:
>> I like it!
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 4:46 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br> wrote:
>> 
>>> Q1: What is the real audience for the DWBP document?
>>> 
>>> Q2: What will be the target audience for the BP? Data publishers or Data Publishers and Data Consumers?
>>> 
>>> Data publishers. I am with Annette that these two audiences MUST be the same.
>>> 
>>> Q3: Should we talk about data consumers in general or just about developers?
>>> 
>>> One question that I ask myself is: what do we mean by developer? Do we think about a technical developer, of apps or more generally of software, or does the term include business people who are involved in designing and developing products or services?
>>> 
>>> To me, we are talking about a person or an organisation that consumes the data that is made available to re-use it for some business goal or social objective. In other environments, the term “re-user” is often used, to distinguish the end-user who just looks at the data from the intermediary who takes data from the publisher and delivers it in some value-added form to the end user.
>>> 
>>> Both the technical and the ‘business’ re-user will benefit from best practice in data publication. For example, the technical developer benefits from re-usable formats, while the business developer benefits from clear licensing arrangements .
>>> 
>>> So I would say that we consider developers in both categories, technical and business, and we don’t consider end users. Otherwise we would also need to talk about good user interface design, WCAG etc. However, as I said before, I don’t think we should try to write best practice for re-users – they will benefit from the good practice applied by data publishers.
>>> 
>>> Q4: What is the role of a data consumer? 
>>> 
>>> A data consumer is either a re-user or an end user.
>>> 
>>> Makx.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio [mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:21 PM
>>> To: public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
>>> Subject: Call for comments on open questions about the audience for the DWBP doc
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This week we had a great discussion about the audience for the DWBP document. However, we still have some open questions:
>>> 
>>> 1. The Audience
>>> 
>>> We don't have a consensus about the audience, i.e., if both data publishers and data consumers are the audience of the document or just data publishers.
>>> 
>>> Maybe, we can't reach consensus because there are two types of audience: 
>>> 
>>> i. The audience for the document itself. 
>>> 
>>> ii. The target "audience" for the BP, i.e., the ones who will execute the BP.
>>> 
>>> These two types of audience may be different, i.e., the audience of the document may consist of both data publishers and data consumers, but the target audience for the BP is composed by data publishers. Even if we're gonna have just BP for data publishers, the document may be relevant for people interested on using the data.
>>> 
>>> Q1: What is the real audience for the DWBP document?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. The target audience for BP
>>> 
>>> It is not clear if the document should have BP for data publishers and BP for data consumers. Until now, the focus of the document is on BP for data publishers. However, it is important to note that we already have some requirements concerning data usage [2].
>>> 
>>> We need to decide if we're gonna have these two types of BP (BP for data publishers and BP for data consumers) in the DWBP document or the BP for data consumers will be in another document.
>>> 
>>> Q2: What will be the target audience for the BP? Data publishers or Data Publishers and Data Consumers?
>>> 
>>> 3. Data consumer x Developer
>>> 
>>> The charter uses the term developer instead of data consumer, for example, the mission of DWBP working group is "to develop the open data ecosystem, facilitating better communication between developers and publishers;" [1].
>>> 
>>> It is important to decide if we're gonna consider just developers or if we're gonna use the term data consumer to denote a broader class of people interested on using data on the Web. Note that, in this case, data consumer denotes the ones interested on manipulating the data and not the ones interested on reading the data. 
>>> 
>>> Q3: Should we talk about data consumers in general or just about developers?
>>> 
>>> 4. The role of the data consumer
>>> 
>>> We also had some discussions about the role of the data consumer. It is not clear if the data consumer is the one who manipulates data on the Web to produce data/information to end users or if the data consumer is the end user. 
>>> 
>>> Q4: What is the role of a data consumer? 
>>> 
>>> It would be great to have your feedback about these questions. It is important to reach a consensus about them in order to move on the right direction on the writing of the DWBP document. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for all comments and suggestions!
>>> Bernadette
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>> Centro de Informática
>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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