- From: Bud Bruegger <uld613@datenschutzzentrum.de>
- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:58:44 +0200
- To: rjc@enterprivacy.com, "Harshvardhan J. Pandit" <me@harshp.com>, Eva Schlehahn <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
- Cc: public-dpvcg@w3.org
Maybe an important disclaimer:
* The terms we use are not chosen by us, but come either from the GDPR
or from the Art29WP/EDPB. I agree that their choice of terms is not
always optimal and can lead to confusion and misunderstanding. But
using different terms is in my opinion a suiside mission--don't fight
lawyers, you can't win.
* The terms used in these legal sources absolutely have to be put into a
namespace of their own. Their semantics are described in those sources
and differ from the semantics of regular or IT English. So GDPR:<some
term> is not the same as English:<some term>. I think we have to state
this very prominently and clearly somewhere to avoid misconceptions from
users of our vocabulary.
-b
Am 08.04.2019 um 14:52 schrieb rjc@enterprivacy.com:
> I'm not a big fan of the term "regular" consent. I would suggest looking
> at what is implied by not attaching the modifier explicit to the word
> consent. If you think of this in terms of all consent and break it into
> two categories, explicit and everything else, what terms can we use to
> describe everything else. One word is non-explicit. Another would be
> implicit. So rather than explicit and regular, I would suggest (at least
> mentally) dividing consent between explicit and implicit.
>
> IMPLICIT - implied though not plainly expressed
>
> So lets look at an example. Suppose I have a website where people can
> place orders of a product to be shipped to them. After purchase, I have
> a form with the following
>
> Please provide your address for shipping
> Address [____________________________]
> Country [____________________________]
> Postal Code [____________________________]
>
>
> If someone were to complete that form, they would have consented to the
> use of that address for me to ship their purchase. Looking at this from
> the GDPR perspective, the elements of consent have been met
>
> 1. Freely given
> a. There is no imbalance of power (such as in an employer/employee
> context) coercing the user to give up their address
> b. I'm not conditioning some unrelated service on providing this
> information
> c. I'm not, presumably, bundling unnecessary processing operations
> d. [You have to suspend for the moment that a controller would
> actually rely on performance of a contract for collection and use of
> this information, not consent]
> 2. Specific - this relates to purpose limitation, here the purpose is
> to ship a person their order. Its clear from the context, and use of
> the word "shipping", that the reason the address is being collected
> is for this purpose
> 3. Informed - The statement "Please provide your address for shipping"
> provides the necessary information to the individual - what data is
> collected and the purpose. Presumably, the other necessary elements
> of informing the individual are provided elsewhere (such as who the
> controller is, the right to withdraw, etc).
> 4. Finally, completing the form is an unambiguous affirmative act on
> the part of the individual and this is where the crux of the
> difference between implicit and explicit come into play
>
> If we now want to take this out of the implicit realm and into the
> implicit, we would add a button or checkbox and some additional language.
>
> [ ] Type "I agree" in the box if you agree to the use of your
> address to ship order
>
> By checking the box, the user has now explicitly consented to the use of
> the information for the specified purposes. Now, under GDPR, we don't
> need this for this purpose, but we would if the use were for Art 49
> purposes. so let change up that final statement to demonstrate where we
> need explicit consent
>
> [ ] Type "I agree" in the box if you agree to the transfer of your
> address to our fulfillment center in China. China has not been deemed to
> have adequate data protection laws and there are risks that your data
> will be used in ways we can't control or anticipate.
>
> Note, I'm not advising that this language meets all the criteria under
> Art 49(1)(a) or Art 13(1)(f), just using it to demonstrate how explicit
> consent would be gathered.
>
>
> Jason
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Harshvardhan J. Pandit" <me@harshp.com>
>
> To:
> "Eva Schlehahn" <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, "Rigo Wenning"
> <rigo@w3.org>, "Bud Bruegger" <uld613@datenschutzzentrum.de>
> Cc:
> <public-dpvcg@w3.org>
> Sent:
> Mon, 8 Apr 2019 12:39:49 +0100
> Subject:
> Re: Taxonomy of legal bases
>
>
> tldr; This email is regarding using two separate legal basis for
> consent as provided by A6(1)(a)
>
> Dear Eva, Rigo, and Bud.
> I'm having trouble understanding the two separate legal basis for
> consent as provided by A6(1)(a).
> This discussion was mostly conducted in the F2F, and because this is
> the first time I have come across this interpretation of two legal
> basis under A6(1)(a), it would be good to have it in the mailing
> list so as to have a point of reference in the future.
>
> My understanding of the discussion so far:
> Please do specify (and if possible, correct) any errors made in
> capturing the gist of the discussion.
> For consent as the legal basis, Eva and Bud suggested
> (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Apr/0005.html
> 1-APR) two types ('regular' and 'explicit') of consent from Article
> 6(1)(a), with a reference to A29WP guidelines on consent - that also
> mention these two terms.
> Rigo (skype call in F2F, 4-APR) suggested to remove the word
> 'regular' and simply call it consent, and provided the following
> definition for (previously regular) consent - "A data subject's
> unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement to
> process their personal data". (personal opinion - I think this was
> to provide a definition of 'consent' as a top-level concept in the
> taxonomy)
>
> Points I'm struggling with -
>
> (1) If the (regular) consent is used as a legal basis with the above
> definition - would it be valid under the GDPR given that it does not
> follow the definition of consent (A4-11) for being "freely given,
> informed".
>
> (2) Where do we use the GDPR definition of consent (A4-11) in the
> taxonomy for legal basis of A6(1)(a) - 'regular' or 'explicit'?
>
> (3) In the guidelines for consent by A29WP (Sec.4, pg.18), 'regular'
> consent is mentioned in context - The GDPR prescribes that a
> “statement or clear affirmative action” is a prerequisite for
> ‘regular’ consent.
> In the same section, 'explicit' consent is mentioned as - "The term
> explicit refers to the way consent is expressed by the data subject.
> It means that the data subject must give an express statement of
> consent."
> Given that I have no legal background, I'm confused as to wouldn't
> every 'regular' consent required by GDPR also be 'explicit' given
> the requirement for every consent to be informed, specific,
> unambiguous indication by a statement or action (A4-11) - which
> covers descriptions of both terms by A29WP?
> Or, is the difference as follows:
> - regular - saying "I Agree"
> - explicit - saying "I Agree to XYZ" ← note explicit mention of what
> I'm agreeing to?
> But wouldn't this be covered by the information in the description
> of what they are agreeing to because consent should be informed?. It
> does come to my mind, that the 'explicit' in this case may refer to
> the requirement of stating that some information, such as special
> categories of data, need to be mentioned in an 'explicit' form in
> the 'informed' part of consent - in which case, does it qualify as a
> separate legal basis OR as the requirements for valid consent (and
> therefore not part of legal basis taxonomy)?
>
> (4) If conditions provided by A9(2)(a) count as a legal basis based
> on 'explicit' consent for special categories of personal data, do
> the following also count as a legal basis given that they are based
> on 'explicit' consent and are types of processing?
> - R72 Profiling
> - A22(2)(c) Automated individual decision-making, including profiling
> - A49(1)(a) transfers of personal data to a third country or an
> international organisation
>
> I don't mean to start a long discussion that may delay the work on
> wrapping up the taxonomy, so am willing to accept short answers
> (e.g. yes/no, use 'this' as definition); but at the same time it
> would be very helpful to clarify this things - both for the group as
> well as (personally) for my PhD work.
>
> Best,
> Harsh
>
> On 01/04/2019 14:36, Eva Schlehahn wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Bud and I developed further the taxonomy of legal bases
> according to the GDPR. Please find attached
>
> * in the Word document file Bud's version of such a
> vocabulary, as well as
> * in the image file my extension of the already existing
> visualization from lawyer perspective. ;-)
>
> A pity I cannot make it to Vienna. I wish you all a fruitful
> meeting there. :-)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Eva
>
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