- From: Bud Bruegger <uld613@datenschutzzentrum.de>
- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:58:44 +0200
- To: rjc@enterprivacy.com, "Harshvardhan J. Pandit" <me@harshp.com>, Eva Schlehahn <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
- Cc: public-dpvcg@w3.org
Maybe an important disclaimer: * The terms we use are not chosen by us, but come either from the GDPR or from the Art29WP/EDPB. I agree that their choice of terms is not always optimal and can lead to confusion and misunderstanding. But using different terms is in my opinion a suiside mission--don't fight lawyers, you can't win. * The terms used in these legal sources absolutely have to be put into a namespace of their own. Their semantics are described in those sources and differ from the semantics of regular or IT English. So GDPR:<some term> is not the same as English:<some term>. I think we have to state this very prominently and clearly somewhere to avoid misconceptions from users of our vocabulary. -b Am 08.04.2019 um 14:52 schrieb rjc@enterprivacy.com: > I'm not a big fan of the term "regular" consent. I would suggest looking > at what is implied by not attaching the modifier explicit to the word > consent. If you think of this in terms of all consent and break it into > two categories, explicit and everything else, what terms can we use to > describe everything else. One word is non-explicit. Another would be > implicit. So rather than explicit and regular, I would suggest (at least > mentally) dividing consent between explicit and implicit. > > IMPLICIT - implied though not plainly expressed > > So lets look at an example. Suppose I have a website where people can > place orders of a product to be shipped to them. After purchase, I have > a form with the following > > Please provide your address for shipping > Address [____________________________] > Country [____________________________] > Postal Code [____________________________] > > > If someone were to complete that form, they would have consented to the > use of that address for me to ship their purchase. Looking at this from > the GDPR perspective, the elements of consent have been met > > 1. Freely given > a. There is no imbalance of power (such as in an employer/employee > context) coercing the user to give up their address > b. I'm not conditioning some unrelated service on providing this > information > c. I'm not, presumably, bundling unnecessary processing operations > d. [You have to suspend for the moment that a controller would > actually rely on performance of a contract for collection and use of > this information, not consent] > 2. Specific - this relates to purpose limitation, here the purpose is > to ship a person their order. Its clear from the context, and use of > the word "shipping", that the reason the address is being collected > is for this purpose > 3. Informed - The statement "Please provide your address for shipping" > provides the necessary information to the individual - what data is > collected and the purpose. Presumably, the other necessary elements > of informing the individual are provided elsewhere (such as who the > controller is, the right to withdraw, etc). > 4. Finally, completing the form is an unambiguous affirmative act on > the part of the individual and this is where the crux of the > difference between implicit and explicit come into play > > If we now want to take this out of the implicit realm and into the > implicit, we would add a button or checkbox and some additional language. > > [ ] Type "I agree" in the box if you agree to the use of your > address to ship order > > By checking the box, the user has now explicitly consented to the use of > the information for the specified purposes. Now, under GDPR, we don't > need this for this purpose, but we would if the use were for Art 49 > purposes. so let change up that final statement to demonstrate where we > need explicit consent > > [ ] Type "I agree" in the box if you agree to the transfer of your > address to our fulfillment center in China. China has not been deemed to > have adequate data protection laws and there are risks that your data > will be used in ways we can't control or anticipate. > > Note, I'm not advising that this language meets all the criteria under > Art 49(1)(a) or Art 13(1)(f), just using it to demonstrate how explicit > consent would be gathered. > > > Jason > > > > .*.*.*.*................................................................. > R. Jason Cronk | Juris Doctor > Privacy and Trust Consultant | IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy > *Enterprivacy Consulting Group <http://www.enterprivacy.com/>* | CIPT, CIPM, CIPP/US, PbD Ambassador > /Privacy notices made simple: https://simpleprivacynotice.com > <https://simpleprivacynotice.com/> > /.................................................................... > > *Upcoming Training** > *Privacy by Design Professional:Cyprus (April <https://enterprivacy.com/cyprus-training/>), Belarus - > English/Russian (July) > Online (coming soon):https://privacybydesign.training <https://privacybydesign.training/> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Harshvardhan J. Pandit" <me@harshp.com> > > To: > "Eva Schlehahn" <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, "Rigo Wenning" > <rigo@w3.org>, "Bud Bruegger" <uld613@datenschutzzentrum.de> > Cc: > <public-dpvcg@w3.org> > Sent: > Mon, 8 Apr 2019 12:39:49 +0100 > Subject: > Re: Taxonomy of legal bases > > > tldr; This email is regarding using two separate legal basis for > consent as provided by A6(1)(a) > > Dear Eva, Rigo, and Bud. > I'm having trouble understanding the two separate legal basis for > consent as provided by A6(1)(a). > This discussion was mostly conducted in the F2F, and because this is > the first time I have come across this interpretation of two legal > basis under A6(1)(a), it would be good to have it in the mailing > list so as to have a point of reference in the future. > > My understanding of the discussion so far: > Please do specify (and if possible, correct) any errors made in > capturing the gist of the discussion. > For consent as the legal basis, Eva and Bud suggested > (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Apr/0005.html > 1-APR) two types ('regular' and 'explicit') of consent from Article > 6(1)(a), with a reference to A29WP guidelines on consent - that also > mention these two terms. > Rigo (skype call in F2F, 4-APR) suggested to remove the word > 'regular' and simply call it consent, and provided the following > definition for (previously regular) consent - "A data subject's > unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement to > process their personal data". (personal opinion - I think this was > to provide a definition of 'consent' as a top-level concept in the > taxonomy) > > Points I'm struggling with - > > (1) If the (regular) consent is used as a legal basis with the above > definition - would it be valid under the GDPR given that it does not > follow the definition of consent (A4-11) for being "freely given, > informed". > > (2) Where do we use the GDPR definition of consent (A4-11) in the > taxonomy for legal basis of A6(1)(a) - 'regular' or 'explicit'? > > (3) In the guidelines for consent by A29WP (Sec.4, pg.18), 'regular' > consent is mentioned in context - The GDPR prescribes that a > “statement or clear affirmative action” is a prerequisite for > ‘regular’ consent. > In the same section, 'explicit' consent is mentioned as - "The term > explicit refers to the way consent is expressed by the data subject. > It means that the data subject must give an express statement of > consent." > Given that I have no legal background, I'm confused as to wouldn't > every 'regular' consent required by GDPR also be 'explicit' given > the requirement for every consent to be informed, specific, > unambiguous indication by a statement or action (A4-11) - which > covers descriptions of both terms by A29WP? > Or, is the difference as follows: > - regular - saying "I Agree" > - explicit - saying "I Agree to XYZ" ← note explicit mention of what > I'm agreeing to? > But wouldn't this be covered by the information in the description > of what they are agreeing to because consent should be informed?. It > does come to my mind, that the 'explicit' in this case may refer to > the requirement of stating that some information, such as special > categories of data, need to be mentioned in an 'explicit' form in > the 'informed' part of consent - in which case, does it qualify as a > separate legal basis OR as the requirements for valid consent (and > therefore not part of legal basis taxonomy)? > > (4) If conditions provided by A9(2)(a) count as a legal basis based > on 'explicit' consent for special categories of personal data, do > the following also count as a legal basis given that they are based > on 'explicit' consent and are types of processing? > - R72 Profiling > - A22(2)(c) Automated individual decision-making, including profiling > - A49(1)(a) transfers of personal data to a third country or an > international organisation > > I don't mean to start a long discussion that may delay the work on > wrapping up the taxonomy, so am willing to accept short answers > (e.g. yes/no, use 'this' as definition); but at the same time it > would be very helpful to clarify this things - both for the group as > well as (personally) for my PhD work. > > Best, > Harsh > > On 01/04/2019 14:36, Eva Schlehahn wrote: > > Dear all, > > Bud and I developed further the taxonomy of legal bases > according to the GDPR. Please find attached > > * in the Word document file Bud's version of such a > vocabulary, as well as > * in the image file my extension of the already existing > visualization from lawyer perspective. ;-) > > A pity I cannot make it to Vienna. I wish you all a fruitful > meeting there. :-) > > Greetings, > > Eva > > -- > > > > Unabhängiges Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein > > > > Eva Schlehahn,uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de > > > > Holstenstraße 98, 24103 Kiel, Tel. +49 431 988-1204, Fax -1223 > mail@datenschutzzentrum.de -https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/ > > > > > Informationen über die Verarbeitung der personenbezogenen Daten durch > > > > die Landesbeauftragte für Datenschutz und zur verschlüsselten > > > > E-Mail-Kommunikation:https://datenschutzzentrum.de/datenschutzerklaerung/ > > -- > > > > --- > > > > Harshvardhan Pandit > > > > PhD Researcher > > > > ADAPT Centre > > > > Trinity College Dublin > -- Bud P. Bruegger, Dipl.-Ing. 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