Re: 2022-2026 Verifiable Data Standards Roadmap [DRAFT]

Kaliya, I truly appreciate the work you've done trying to bring these many
communities together.

But what I see, is these communities DON'T want to collaborate. They want
to do their own thing. (And sometimes attach a business model to the
process.) And counterpoint to that point - when the communities DO want to
collaborate, they figure out how to do it.

I wish you were more successful bridging these communities - and it isn't
due to your lack of effort. It's because the inherent structure is to
create new communities to talk about the same stuff. It's gonna happen with
web3 identity and NFTs, and, let me be transparent with my strategy here,
by inviting NFT Identity conversation to THIS COMMUNITY, is creating a two
way street of learning to try to reduce that branch as it is happening
right now.

I'm not hopeful we'll ever have one big tent, at least not when it comes to
tech flavors to build and implement. And as a fan of diversity, that is
fine. It's even fine if they don't interoperate even if I wish they all
world.

-Heather

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:58 PM Kaliya Identity Woman <
kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote:

> For what it is worth my comment about "othering" is a general thing that
> is happening all over in many organizations and by many people it was not a
> comment about any one individual.
>
> At Trust Over IP - and before the pandemic I strongly suggested that they
> get their core members to go on a "listening tour" to talk to key community
> members/people not in Trust Over IP - the pandemic happened - the listening
> tour didn't happen. But the reason for the suggestion was not dis-similar a
> lack of understanding of where others were coming from and judgement
> without knowing more.
>
> Just yesterday in a different conversation - someone was telling me about
> how Organization X couldn't have people who really cared about marginalized
> people because person Y had a part in creating organization Z that
> preceded it the creation of Organization X.
>
> I pointed out this was othering too...
>
> I would strongly encourage people who are on this list who have never gone
> to a meeting at Trust over IP or at DIF to actually just look at their
> calendars and pick a meeting that might be interesting and go.  If you
> don't like one - try another - just to get out of the box a little bit.
>
> Both of these orgs - permit anyone to listen to calls (you can say hello
> too) unless you have signed their IPR you can't "substatively contribute".
> It is worth noting their IPR regimes are quite similar to what you sign to
> contribute to the W3C (however of course have your lawyer actually look if
> that matters to you))
>
> Each of them have some version of a "all hands meeting" each month.
>
> Here is a summary of the different groups at DIF
> https://identity.foundation/#wgs
> Here is the DIF calendar link
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/r?cid=ZGVjZW50cmFsaXplZC5pZGVudGl0eUBnbWFpbC5jb20
> All Hands meeting is the last Wednesday of the month 11-12 Eastern.
>
> ToIP "working group activity page"
> https://trustoverip.org/get-involved/working-group-activity/
> Here is the ToIP Calendar Link:
> https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings
> All Members meeting 1-2 Eastern on the third Wednesday
>
> if you wanted to go farther a field but still active neighbors - there is
> the Kantara Initiative <https://kantarainitiative.org/>, Open Identity
> Exchange
> <https://openidentityexchange.org/members/anon/new.html?destination=%2Findex.html>
> and  OpenID Foundation <https://openid.net/foundation/> - also have
> calendars and active work with relevance.
>
> Of course there are things that compete happening like the GAIN
> <https://openid.net/2022/03/02/introducing-the-global-assured-identity-network-gain-proof-of-concept-community-group/>
> work proposing a kind of super openID federation to manage trust globally.
> Then there are folks at ToIP trying to build out decentralized trust
> registries for various use-cases
>
> I could go on about the wider landscape we are in.... it also contains two
> open source projects aimed at the global south that could have SSI
> components in them - if we were stratigic as a community - work could be
> done to get them to implement SSI modules/components.  MOSIP
> <https://mosip.io/> - Modular Open Source Identity Platform and OpenCRVS
> <https://www.opencrvs.org/> (civil registration and vital statistics) by
> Plan International.
>
> There is the Me2B Alliance <https://me2ba.org/>and the Vendor
> Relationship Management <https://cyber.harvard.edu/node/93484>list,
> Digital Identity and Authentication Council of Canada <https://diacc.ca/> and
> ID2020 <https://diacc.ca/>(just about to re-org with one ED leaving and
> them hiring a new one)
> IEEE - has its 7000 series
>
> So I hope this inspires some folks to get out and meet the neighbors.
> Talk to the humans. Ask questions. Learn more.
>
> - Kaliya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 6:19 AM Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin <
> snorre@diwala.io> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:43 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/22 4:10 AM, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin wrote:
>>> > to set up a herding group (I know that is probably impossible)
>>>
>>> Not impossible, but it would take volunteers from this community (and
>>> others)
>>> to step up to do the work, and that might be more than we can muster at
>>> this
>>> point in time.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah i agree, I have been pushing DIF to create a fund or something that
>> can start this work, to throw cash at someone to deliver this SSI herding
>> group, and a bunch of people who are willing do some non political affected
>> work, and then figure out how they can get funded to continue the further
>> work.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I'll commit to doing #1; it's a solid idea, thank you Snorre.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, recently discovered the tool and use it alot with
>> https://coda.io/ these days
>>
>>
>>>
>>> #2 will need some set of brave souls that don't mind playing the part of
>>> villain or doormat.
>>>
>>
>> My face is not very visible in the community so I can take this and
>> begin. But I do need some assistance to not end up in an political play
>> that I dont care much about.
>> I dont know, nor care, about the strange politics going in this
>> community. I probably should if I want something done, but right now I just
>> want to do, and see what happens.
>>
>> My first questions is
>> Where shall the repo live? It can live under CCG, then I need some access
>> of some sort?
>> It can live under DIF interop, I have the access i need there.
>> It can be standalone maybe the easiest.
>>
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