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Re: [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec Call - Mar 11, 2021

From: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 04:22:02 -0500
Message-ID: <CANYRo8gTgQn1VjURFq4D=VaGu8KkjO4AOoG7OeGjErjuvaYKSg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Neil Thomson <neil.thomson@queryvision.com>
Cc: Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation, sds-wg@dif.groups.io
Thanks, Neil.

I envision identity hubs as the digital equivalent of “The City of
Atlantis”. It is the developer’s utopia where my app is both hosted for
free and self-sovereign.

I am not being sarcastic. Hosted confidential storage, like an EDV, is just
storage. Identity personas and apps are conceptually agents, meaning code
execution as well as storage. A Solid pod, for example, has storage as well
as app plugins. Depending on where and how the pod is hosted (in digital
Atlantis) it might be self-sovereign or not.

My iPhone is also an identity hub. It is decidedly not self-sovereign. The
app store hosts only censored code. The connectivity is anything but
anonymous. My surveillance is both constant and opaque. Even so, I am
“happy” to pay Apple and AT&T well over $1,000 / year for hosting my
identity hub.

IMHO, taking up identity hubs in a storage workgroup may be allowed under
our charter but it is overreach. Nonetheless, I am happy to engage with the
working group and will approach it from the perspective of self-sovereign
hosting of my persona.

Adrian

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:08 AM Neil Thomson <neil.thomson@queryvision.com>
wrote:

> As input to the discussion of [data] hub vs. the EDV sub-system  [secure
> data} services:
>
>
>
> I’d suggest that the expectations I’m hearing across working groups (DIF,
> ToIP,…) on “data hubs” is that it is a basket of distributed data services
> packaged as a single point of contact for an organization (about their
> data) that includes, but is not limited to the following:
>
>
>
>    - A collection of data exchange services which replaces customized
>    point to point solutions for individual sources & targets
>    - A data exchange broker between data sources and targets that may
>    have different schema, semantics + languages, etc.
>    - Provider of different data exchange types, including streaming,
>    subscription, notifications and batch updates
>    - Providing industry standard interfaces to data organized for
>    different purposes and delivered in different ways
>       - Raw – data lake
>       - (real time) raw transactions as a stream (the same feed as
>       populates the data lake)
>       - Standardized transactions (common transaction schema)
>       - Data event notification services (e.g., value from IoT device
>       type X over threshold Y for period Z)
>       - Operational data (transactions + transaction management logs) –
>       which might use industry specific common schema
>       - Analytical structured data (relational. dimensional , OLAP and
>       data mining processed)
>       - Standardized data exchange services, mapping/translating: data
>       schemas, semantics, data types, formats, languages – based on the Human
>       Colossus Foundation OCA – Overlay Capture Architecture model
>
>
>
> Such a collection of data services is being promoted by several (not yet
> SSI/ZKP) offerings/solutions of “data hub” services and applications.
>
>
>
> What differentiates that for SSI based Secured Data Services is: standards
> for  ZKP/encryptically secured data hubs.
>
>
>
>    - From an EDV perspective (from what I have heard to in a few SDS wg
>    meetings is), it:
>       - It plugs into and is accessed - directly or indirectly (e.g., via
>       co-located direct wallet access) via data hub services.
>       - it is one of (and perhaps the most important) of the data
>       sources/targets provided (transparently) to the clients using the data hub
>       services
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> *Neil Thomson**QueryVision*
> *www.QueryVision.Com*
> T-613.220.9929
> Neil.Thomson@QueryVision.com
>
>
>
> *From:* sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation [mailto:
> sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation] *On Behalf Of *Michael Herman (Trusted
> Digital Web)
> *Sent:* March-10-21 7:27 PM
> *To:* sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation; sds-wg@dif.groups.io; Credentials
> Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec
> Call - Mar 11, 2021
>
>
>
> RE: 3. Review ‘Division of Responsibilities between Hubs and EDVs’ list,
> call for objections or additions. Proposed list so far:
> https://hackmd.io/qClYLUPkQ7uf0r3_4O7BUQ
>
>
>
> Dimitri and WG colleagues,
>
>
>
> I’d like to suggest either before tomorrow’s SDS WG call or, as an early
> part of the call, that we establish a few things we don’t have:
>
>    1. A working/workable definition of/simple litmus test for what a
>    [Identity] Hub is?
>    2. A working/workable definition of/simple litmus test for what an
>    Encrypted Data Vault (EDV) is?
>    3. That is, two definitions that clearly contrast these 2 terms.
>
>
>
> Without the above, I believe it is difficult (impossible) to continue with
> agenda item #3 with any additional depth.  After completing a description
> of the lengthy Distributed Twitter (Dewitter) app scenario, I know what an
> EDV is but I didn’t need and don’t expect to need anything called a Hub. I
> have no idea what a Hub is or if the Hub concept is even needed.
>
>
>
> To facilitate this discussion, can someone (e.g. @DanielB) take a stab at
> drawing a boundary what might be considered to be an [Identity] Hub?  I’ve
> attached the PPTX source slide as well as a rendered image (below).
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this a reasonable request?  Can we agree to precede the agenda item #3
> discussion with an initial determination of these 2 definitions: EDVs and
> [Identity] Hubs?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation <sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation>
> *On Behalf Of *Dmitri Zagidulin
> *Sent:* March 8, 2021 7:59 PM
> *To:* sds-wg@dif.groups.io; Credentials Community Group <
> public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec
> Call - Mar 11, 2021
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> This is a reminder that the DIF / CCG Secure Data Storage Working group
> weekly call will be happening on Thursday at 4pm Eastern / 1pm Pacific /
> 22:00 CEST.
>
> Meeting link:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84828031746?pwd=V0xGTnJ2Zm15RHlSRFpNTlRPQzdLUT09
>
> Specification: https://identity.foundation/confidential-storage/
> Specification repository:
> https://github.com/decentralized-identity/confidential-storage
>
> Audio recordings and transcripts of previous meetings:
> https://dif.groups.io/g/sds-wg/wiki/19633
>
> As always, the IPR policy requires that you can only make substantive
> contributions if you sign the IPR Release Form. Please follow the
> instructions at https://dif.groups.io/g/sds-wg/wiki/Home
>
> *Confidential Storage Spec Call Agenda*
>
> 1. IPR Reminder
> 2. Introductions and Re-Introductions
>
> 3. Review ‘Division of Responsibilities between Hubs and EDVs’ list, call
> for objections or additions.
>
> Proposed list so far: https://hackmd.io/qClYLUPkQ7uf0r3_4O7BUQ
>
> 4. Issue review
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
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