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RE: [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec Call - Mar 11, 2021

From: Neil Thomson <neil.thomson@queryvision.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 00:41:21 -0500
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As input to the discussion of [data] hub vs. the EDV sub-system  [secure data} services:

 

I’d suggest that the expectations I’m hearing across working groups (DIF, ToIP,…) on “data hubs” is that it is a basket of distributed data services packaged as a single point of contact for an organization (about their data) that includes, but is not limited to the following:

 

*	A collection of data exchange services which replaces customized point to point solutions for individual sources & targets
*	A data exchange broker between data sources and targets that may have different schema, semantics + languages, etc.
*	Provider of different data exchange types, including streaming, subscription, notifications and batch updates
*	Providing industry standard interfaces to data organized for different purposes and delivered in different ways

*	Raw – data lake 
*	(real time) raw transactions as a stream (the same feed as populates the data lake)
*	Standardized transactions (common transaction schema)
*	Data event notification services (e.g., value from IoT device type X over threshold Y for period Z)
*	Operational data (transactions + transaction management logs) – which might use industry specific common schema
*	Analytical structured data (relational. dimensional , OLAP and data mining processed)
*	Standardized data exchange services, mapping/translating: data schemas, semantics, data types, formats, languages – based on the Human Colossus Foundation OCA – Overlay Capture Architecture model

 

Such a collection of data services is being promoted by several (not yet SSI/ZKP) offerings/solutions of “data hub” services and applications. 

 

What differentiates that for SSI based Secured Data Services is: standards for  ZKP/encryptically secured data hubs.

 

*	From an EDV perspective (from what I have heard to in a few SDS wg meetings is), it:

*	It plugs into and is accessed - directly or indirectly (e.g., via co-located direct wallet access) via data hub services.
*	it is one of (and perhaps the most important) of the data sources/targets provided (transparently) to the clients using the data hub services

 

Thank you,

Neil Thomson
QueryVision
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Neil.Thomson@QueryVision.com <mailto:Neil.Thomson@QueryVision.com> 

 

From: sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation [mailto:sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation] On Behalf Of Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web)
Sent: March-10-21 7:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec Call - Mar 11, 2021

 

RE: 3. Review ‘Division of Responsibilities between Hubs and EDVs’ list, call for objections or additions. Proposed list so far: https://hackmd.io/qClYLUPkQ7uf0r3_4O7BUQ

 

Dimitri and WG colleagues, 

 

I’d like to suggest either before tomorrow’s SDS WG call or, as an early part of the call, that we establish a few things we don’t have:

1.	A working/workable definition of/simple litmus test for what a [Identity] Hub is?
2.	A working/workable definition of/simple litmus test for what an Encrypted Data Vault (EDV) is?
3.	That is, two definitions that clearly contrast these 2 terms.

 

Without the above, I believe it is difficult (impossible) to continue with agenda item #3 with any additional depth.  After completing a description of the lengthy Distributed Twitter (Dewitter) app scenario, I know what an EDV is but I didn’t need and don’t expect to need anything called a Hub. I have no idea what a Hub is or if the Hub concept is even needed.

 

To facilitate this discussion, can someone (e.g. @DanielB) take a stab at drawing a boundary what might be considered to be an [Identity] Hub?  I’ve attached the PPTX source slide as well as a rendered image (below).

 



 

Is this a reasonable request?  Can we agree to precede the agenda item #3 discussion with an initial determination of these 2 definitions: EDVs and [Identity] Hubs?

 

Best regards,

Michael

 

From: sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation <mailto:sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation>  <sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation <mailto:sds-wg@lists.identity.foundation> > On Behalf Of Dmitri Zagidulin
Sent: March 8, 2021 7:59 PM
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Subject: [sds-wg] Reminder and Agenda for Confidential Storage Spec Call - Mar 11, 2021

 

Dear all,


This is a reminder that the DIF / CCG Secure Data Storage Working group weekly call will be happening on Thursday at 4pm Eastern / 1pm Pacific / 22:00 CEST.

Meeting link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84828031746?pwd=V0xGTnJ2Zm15RHlSRFpNTlRPQzdLUT09

Specification: https://identity.foundation/confidential-storage/
Specification repository: https://github.com/decentralized-identity/confidential-storage

Audio recordings and transcripts of previous meetings: https://dif.groups.io/g/sds-wg/wiki/19633

As always, the IPR policy requires that you can only make substantive contributions if you sign the IPR Release Form. Please follow the instructions at https://dif.groups.io/g/sds-wg/wiki/Home

Confidential Storage Spec Call Agenda

1. IPR Reminder
2. Introductions and Re-Introductions

3. Review ‘Division of Responsibilities between Hubs and EDVs’ list, call for objections or additions.

Proposed list so far: https://hackmd.io/qClYLUPkQ7uf0r3_4O7BUQ

4. Issue review

 

Thank you,

The Chairs

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