Re: Feedback on Zoom & Jitsi for CCG Meetings

Hi Jim,
You're silly. :) For context, we do have requirements around minute
publishing and the rollover isn't complete. Wayne, Manu, and myself have
been working on this in depth, so I'm hoping to resolve it productively
over a conversation, find a resolution, and report back with possible
approaches. We will provide all the details; it's just that these threads
are repeatedly turning into flame wars, as evidenced.

Thanks,
Kim

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 7:53 AM Jim St.Clair <jim.stclair@lumedic.io> wrote:

> While we're at it, can we establish a Slack or Slack-like platform
> (Discord maybe?) to move all these conversations out of email threads?
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
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> On 11/13/20 5:26 PM, Heather Vescent wrote:
> > I refuse to allow us to get distracted re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Well, that changes the whole dynamic behind the effort, doesn't it. :)
>
> The impression that I've had as we've tried to make the transition was
> that we had Chair support to upgrade W3C CCG infrastructure. Based on your
> response, it seems like this has changed (or maybe it was more of a
> +0 instead of a +1, or there never really was support of all of the
> Chairs)..
>
> In any case, fighting the Chairs on anything is a losing proposition. I
> just wish I (and those that have helped) had known this before putting in
> all of the time.
>
> > I have to think you may have lost sight of the purpose of the
> > community, which is to focus on VCs and DIDs and credentialing
> > technology, not re-build infrastructure.
>
> With due respect, and as one of the founders that launched this group in
> 2014[1], wrote its first charter[2], and organized its meetings for
> years[3], I don't think I have lost sight of the purpose of the community.
> It's current purpose is very close to its original purpose[4]. The
> statement above makes it seem as if these initiatives are zero-sum and they
> are not.
>
> Our ability to collectively hold meetings that moves different work items
> forward in parallel is important, and as we grow, that has to scale. What
> we're doing right now is not scalable. It requires too much knowledge of
> W3C Process and Github and the scribing infrastructure, etc. It should all
> be automated in order for us to be able to empower more people to hold
> meetings w/o having to know all the things that past and current Chairs do
> about holding meetings. It's too burdensome..
>
> It's also clear that this transition has been burdensome to the current
> Chairs, as evidenced by your response, and I'm sensitive to that and have
> been doing my best to try and push us through this transition as quickly as
> time and availability allows. One of the goals here was to, over time,
> reduce the burden on the Chairs.
>
> That said, not having Chair support just sets the transition up for
> failure.. The focus shifts from getting through the transition to how the
> next Jitsi error is going to be used as proof positive that we should
> abandon the current attempts and just go with Zoom. That creates a
> stressful environment for those working on the solution, where the
> expectation is that if the system fails, it's scuttled along with the time
> investment to date.
>
> At this point, I'm not sure what the Chairs want. Could the Chairs please
> provide a list of requirements for the new system? We're trying to build
> something that works for you, too. If what is being done right now isn't
> helpful, then just tell us to stop.
>
> -- manu
>
> [1]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2014Aug/0001.html
> [2]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2014Aug/0025.html
> [3]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/
> [4]http://manu.sporny.org/2014/identity-credentials/
>
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