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Re: Feedback on Zoom & Jitsi for CCG Meetings

From: Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:53:43 -0500
Message-ID: <CAGJKSNTi3U=mtH0mfZFWnXTn7C8wzKHwoELs=yBs2iFxs=sfOw@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Jim St.Clair" <jim.stclair@lumedic.io>
Cc: "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
please.  slack is preferred from my side

Mike Prorock
CTO, Founder

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jim St.Clair <jim.stclair@lumedic.io>

> While we're at it, can we establish a Slack or Slack-like platform
> (Discord maybe?) to move all these conversations out of email threads?
> Best regards,
> Jim
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> On 11/13/20 5:26 PM, Heather Vescent wrote:
> > I refuse to allow us to get distracted re-inventing the wheel.
> Well, that changes the whole dynamic behind the effort, doesn't it. :)
> The impression that I've had as we've tried to make the transition was
> that we had Chair support to upgrade W3C CCG infrastructure. Based on your
> response, it seems like this has changed (or maybe it was more of a
> +0 instead of a +1, or there never really was support of all of the
> Chairs)..
> In any case, fighting the Chairs on anything is a losing proposition. I
> just wish I (and those that have helped) had known this before putting in
> all of the time.
> > I have to think you may have lost sight of the purpose of the
> > community, which is to focus on VCs and DIDs and credentialing
> > technology, not re-build infrastructure.
> With due respect, and as one of the founders that launched this group in
> 2014[1], wrote its first charter[2], and organized its meetings for
> years[3], I don't think I have lost sight of the purpose of the community.
> It's current purpose is very close to its original purpose[4]. The
> statement above makes it seem as if these initiatives are zero-sum and they
> are not.
> Our ability to collectively hold meetings that moves different work items
> forward in parallel is important, and as we grow, that has to scale. What
> we're doing right now is not scalable. It requires too much knowledge of
> W3C Process and Github and the scribing infrastructure, etc. It should all
> be automated in order for us to be able to empower more people to hold
> meetings w/o having to know all the things that past and current Chairs do
> about holding meetings. It's too burdensome..
> It's also clear that this transition has been burdensome to the current
> Chairs, as evidenced by your response, and I'm sensitive to that and have
> been doing my best to try and push us through this transition as quickly as
> time and availability allows. One of the goals here was to, over time,
> reduce the burden on the Chairs.
> That said, not having Chair support just sets the transition up for
> failure.. The focus shifts from getting through the transition to how the
> next Jitsi error is going to be used as proof positive that we should
> abandon the current attempts and just go with Zoom. That creates a
> stressful environment for those working on the solution, where the
> expectation is that if the system fails, it's scuttled along with the time
> investment to date.
> At this point, I'm not sure what the Chairs want. Could the Chairs please
> provide a list of requirements for the new system? We're trying to build
> something that works for you, too. If what is being done right now isn't
> helpful, then just tell us to stop.
> -- manu
> [1]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2014Aug/0001.html
> [2]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2014Aug/0025.html
> [3]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/
> [4]http://manu.sporny.org/2014/identity-credentials/
> --
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> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
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