- From: Yancy <email@yancy.lol>
- Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:24:18 -0500
- To: public-credentials@w3.org
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+1 to Jitisi -1 to Zoom Let's support free-software that doesn't spy on it's users. Zoom (which is proprietary) purported to use end-to-end encryption when in fact it was shown that sessions are routed through middle key servers in China for encryption (not end-to-end). Manu, Balázs: I'm willing to help setup a Jitsi instance. -Yancy On 5/28/20 1:44 PM, Taylor Kendal wrote: > I would only add that the technical "sophistication" (which is > unquestionable in this community) introduces, albeit unintentionally, > a barrier for others who may offer valuable perspectives and > contributions. > > I would advocate for the fewest technical barriers to entry. I think > Zoom or Jitsi (along with a call-in option) likely opens the door as > wide as possible given current infrastructure. > > TK > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:26 PM Adrian Gropper > <agropper@healthurl.com <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com>> wrote: > > I have limited experience with Jitsi and I'm not sure if JitsiMeet > is the same product. Honestly, I forget the specifics only the > sentiment. > > To be clear, I am totally fine with supporting the open source > alternative even if it's not as good a user experience as Zoom. We > are a very sophisticated audience and can probably afford to > donate some of our effort to improving or working around Jitsi. On > the other hand, I would have made the same argument about us being > sophisticated enough to use SIP :-) > > - Adrian > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:13 PM Dmitri Zagidulin > <dzagidulin@gmail.com <mailto:dzagidulin@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Adrian - what are the points of friction that you've > experienced with JitsiMeet? > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Adrian Gropper > <agropper@healthurl.com <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com>> wrote: > > Every alternative to Zoom that I've experienced adds > friction for the average attendee. The issue seems to be, > how much friction will we tolerate on average in order to > respect the serious concerns of a few? I will survive > either way. > > - Adrian > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:53 PM Rouven Heck > <rouven.heck@consensys.net > <mailto:rouven.heck@consensys.net>> wrote: > > Heather, I agree - something which reduces the > friction for most people to join is important. I > personally had often trouble to attend calls because I > need SIP only for these calls, not in any other > context. Many communities seem pretty happy (at least > for now) with Zoom - it's used in Hyperledger, DIF, > CCI, etc. > > Manu, I don't think there is a vendor lock-in risk > with Zoom or OtterAi. > -> all recordings from Zoom can be stored in > mp4 format and transcripts chat & Otter in generic > text formats that could be stored on a wiki, etc. > > > > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:26 PM Manu Sporny > <msporny@digitalbazaar.com > <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote: > > On 5/28/20 10:53 AM, rhiaro wrote: > > Also I've had good success with hosted jitsi - > which is open source, and > > can be self-hosted - with medium-sized groups. > Their hosted version > > should support 35 people well (with video, I > presume more with audio) > > and I think if you self-host it and set it up > right it supports a lot > > more (I haven't tried this yet though). Jitsi > also has screensharing, > > chat and hand-raising features. > > Agreed, was just thinking along the same lines. If > folks want to move to > another platform, let's please not move to a > proprietary solution (Zoom > + otter.ai <http://otter.ai>). > > Jitsi is open standards, open source, supports > automatic transcription > via jigasi, and would (potentially) integrate more > cleanly with existing > tooling. It would probably not cost much more than > what we're doing > right now and DB would be willing to pick up that > cost. > > Here's the thing that's always stopped us -- > someone has to commit to > setting this system up and running it for years > (the current system has > been in place for over 6 years now). > > I remember when AOL was going to be around forever > and folks migrated to > their services entirely? Remember Google+, all > that content, gone. > Accessibility and archival matter. What happens > when otter.ai <http://otter.ai> fails, do > we still have all of our transcripts on > infrastructure we have control of? > > My fear is the community is going to go for the > easiest choice and get > vendor locked in w/o considering the ramifications > of what that means to > the archives and work output of this community. > > -- manu > > -- > Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier > Blockchain Launches > https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches > > > > -- > *Taylor Kendal *(web <http://taykendesign.com/> | tweet > <https://twitter.com/taykendesign> | in > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/taykendesign/>) > /Chief Program Officer, /Learning Economy > <https://www.learningeconomy.io/> > /Contributing Editor/, Diplomatic Courier > <https://www.diplomaticourier.com/> > -- > This electronic message transmission contains information from > Learning Economy <https://www.learningeconomy.io/>, and is intended > only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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