Re: ditch voip/sip

I would only add that the technical "sophistication" (which is
unquestionable in this community) introduces, albeit unintentionally, a
barrier for others who may offer valuable perspectives and contributions.

I would advocate for the fewest technical barriers to entry. I think Zoom
or Jitsi (along with a call-in option) likely opens the door as wide
as possible given current infrastructure.

TK

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:26 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
wrote:

> I have limited experience with Jitsi and I'm not sure if JitsiMeet is the
> same product. Honestly, I forget the specifics only the sentiment.
>
> To be clear, I am totally fine with supporting the open source alternative
> even if it's not as good a user experience as Zoom. We are a very
> sophisticated audience and can probably afford to donate some of our effort
> to improving or working around Jitsi. On the other hand, I would have made
> the same argument about us being sophisticated enough to use SIP :-)
>
> - Adrian
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:13 PM Dmitri Zagidulin <dzagidulin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Adrian - what are the points of friction that you've experienced with
>> JitsiMeet?
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Every alternative to Zoom that I've experienced adds friction for the
>>> average attendee. The issue seems to be, how much friction will we tolerate
>>> on average in order to respect the serious concerns of a few? I will
>>> survive either way.
>>>
>>> - Adrian
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:53 PM Rouven Heck <rouven.heck@consensys.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heather, I agree - something which reduces the friction for most people
>>>> to join is important. I personally had often trouble to attend calls
>>>> because I need SIP only for these calls, not in any other context. Many
>>>> communities seem pretty happy (at least for now) with Zoom - it's used in
>>>> Hyperledger, DIF, CCI, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Manu, I don't think there is a vendor lock-in risk with Zoom or
>>>> OtterAi.
>>>> -> all recordings from Zoom can be stored in mp4 format and transcripts
>>>> chat & Otter in generic text formats that could be stored on a wiki, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:26 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/28/20 10:53 AM, rhiaro wrote:
>>>>> > Also I've had good success with hosted jitsi - which is open source,
>>>>> and
>>>>> > can be self-hosted - with medium-sized groups. Their hosted version
>>>>> > should support 35 people well (with video, I presume more with audio)
>>>>> > and I think if you self-host it and set it up right it supports a lot
>>>>> > more (I haven't tried this yet though). Jitsi also has screensharing,
>>>>> > chat and hand-raising features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, was just thinking along the same lines. If folks want to move
>>>>> to
>>>>> another platform, let's please not move to a proprietary solution (Zoom
>>>>> + otter.ai).
>>>>>
>>>>> Jitsi is open standards, open source, supports automatic transcription
>>>>> via jigasi, and would (potentially) integrate more cleanly with
>>>>> existing
>>>>> tooling. It would probably not cost much more than what we're doing
>>>>> right now and DB would be willing to pick up that cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the thing that's always stopped us -- someone has to commit to
>>>>> setting this system up and running it for years (the current system has
>>>>> been in place for over 6 years now).
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember when AOL was going to be around forever and folks migrated
>>>>> to
>>>>> their services entirely? Remember Google+, all that content, gone.
>>>>> Accessibility and archival matter. What happens when otter.ai fails,
>>>>> do
>>>>> we still have all of our transcripts on infrastructure we have control
>>>>> of?
>>>>>
>>>>> My fear is the community is going to go for the easiest choice and get
>>>>> vendor locked in w/o considering the ramifications of what that means
>>>>> to
>>>>> the archives and work output of this community.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- manu
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>>>>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>>>> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches
>>>>>
>>>>>

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