Re: ditch voip/sip

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:54 PM Yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:

> +1 to Jitisi
>
> -1 to Zoom
>
> Let's support free-software that doesn't spy on it's users.  Zoom (which
> is proprietary) purported to use end-to-end encryption when in fact it was
> shown that sessions are routed through middle key servers in China for
> encryption (not end-to-end).
>
> Manu, Balázs: I'm willing to help setup a Jitsi instance.
>

BTW, Jitsi just added end-to-end encryption as beta.  I've been using it
with family the past few days.  https://jitsi.org/blog/e2ee/  Not that we
need privacy particularly for our calls, but at least they care . . .

> -Yancy
> On 5/28/20 1:44 PM, Taylor Kendal wrote:
>
> I would only add that the technical "sophistication" (which is
> unquestionable in this community) introduces, albeit unintentionally, a
> barrier for others who may offer valuable perspectives and contributions.
>
> I would advocate for the fewest technical barriers to entry. I think Zoom
> or Jitsi (along with a call-in option) likely opens the door as wide
> as possible given current infrastructure.
>
> TK
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:26 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have limited experience with Jitsi and I'm not sure if JitsiMeet is the
>> same product. Honestly, I forget the specifics only the sentiment.
>>
>> To be clear, I am totally fine with supporting the open source
>> alternative even if it's not as good a user experience as Zoom. We are a
>> very sophisticated audience and can probably afford to donate some of our
>> effort to improving or working around Jitsi. On the other hand, I would
>> have made the same argument about us being sophisticated enough to use SIP
>> :-)
>>
>> - Adrian
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:13 PM Dmitri Zagidulin <dzagidulin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Adrian - what are the points of friction that you've experienced with
>>> JitsiMeet?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every alternative to Zoom that I've experienced adds friction for the
>>>> average attendee. The issue seems to be, how much friction will we tolerate
>>>> on average in order to respect the serious concerns of a few? I will
>>>> survive either way.
>>>>
>>>> - Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:53 PM Rouven Heck <rouven.heck@consensys.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heather, I agree - something which reduces the friction for most
>>>>> people to join is important. I personally had often trouble to attend calls
>>>>> because I need SIP only for these calls, not in any other context. Many
>>>>> communities seem pretty happy (at least for now) with Zoom - it's used in
>>>>> Hyperledger, DIF, CCI, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Manu, I don't think there is a vendor lock-in risk with Zoom or
>>>>> OtterAi.
>>>>> -> all recordings from Zoom can be stored in mp4 format and
>>>>> transcripts chat & Otter in generic text formats that could be stored on a
>>>>> wiki, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:26 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/28/20 10:53 AM, rhiaro wrote:
>>>>>> > Also I've had good success with hosted jitsi - which is open
>>>>>> source, and
>>>>>> > can be self-hosted - with medium-sized groups. Their hosted version
>>>>>> > should support 35 people well (with video, I presume more with
>>>>>> audio)
>>>>>> > and I think if you self-host it and set it up right it supports a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> > more (I haven't tried this yet though). Jitsi also has
>>>>>> screensharing,
>>>>>> > chat and hand-raising features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed, was just thinking along the same lines. If folks want to move
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> another platform, let's please not move to a proprietary solution
>>>>>> (Zoom
>>>>>> + otter.ai).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jitsi is open standards, open source, supports automatic transcription
>>>>>> via jigasi, and would (potentially) integrate more cleanly with
>>>>>> existing
>>>>>> tooling. It would probably not cost much more than what we're doing
>>>>>> right now and DB would be willing to pick up that cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the thing that's always stopped us -- someone has to commit to
>>>>>> setting this system up and running it for years (the current system
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been in place for over 6 years now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember when AOL was going to be around forever and folks migrated
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> their services entirely? Remember Google+, all that content, gone.
>>>>>> Accessibility and archival matter. What happens when otter.ai fails,
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> we still have all of our transcripts on infrastructure we have
>>>>>> control of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My fear is the community is going to go for the easiest choice and get
>>>>>> vendor locked in w/o considering the ramifications of what that means
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the archives and work output of this community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- manu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>>>>>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>>>>> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
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