Re: [MINUTES] W3C Credentials CG Call - 2020-03-10 12pm ET

I'm trying to collect ideas on a privacy-preserving app for more effective,
less economically disruptive social isolation. The link I thought I posted
in the IRC does not show up in the minutes. Here it is again:
https://weboftrustinfo.discourse.group/t/a-dynamic-digital-passport-for-covid-19-pandemic-mitigation/213

Or just contact me directly as agropper@healthurl.com

- Adrian

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM W3C CCG Chairs <w3c.ccg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to Ganesh Annan for scribing this week! The minutes
> for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available:
>
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-03-10/
>
> Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
> Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2020-03-10
>
> Agenda:
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020Mar/0007.html
> Topics:
>   1. Introductions & Reintroductions
>   2. Announcements & Reminders
>   3. Progress on Action Items
>   4. DIF/W3C agreement in place
>   5. ZKP (Cred) Primer with Daniel Hardman
> Organizer:
>   Joe Andrieu and Christopher Allen and Kim Hamilton Duffy
> Scribe:
>   Ganesh Annan
> Present:
>   Sumita Jonak, Chris Winczewski, Adrian Gropper, Joe Andrieu, Amy
>   Guy, Dave Longley, Ganesh Annan, Ryan Grant, Kayode Ezike, Steven
>   Pattison, Brent Zundel, Jon St John, Ken Ebert, Jeff Orgel, Joel
>   Hartshorn, Kaliya Young, Dmitri Zagidulin, Tom S, Nate Otto
> Audio:
>   https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-03-10/audio.ogg
>
> Amy Guy: Regrets+
> Prseent+
> http://j.mp/37ZIy5B
> https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join
> https://www.w3.org/accounts/request
> https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LkqZ10z7FeV3EgMIQEJ9achEYMzy1d_2S90Q_lQ0y8M/edit?usp=sharing
> Jeff Orgel: Unavailable to do soy, apologies...
> Ganesh Annan: Kimhd_: yes
> Ganesh Annan: I can scribe
> Jeff Orgel: Thanks Gannan!
> Ganesh Annan is scribing.
>
> Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions
>
> Jon St John:  Hi, I'm Jon St John from Anonyome Labs
> Kimhd_:  Dmitri re you on the call?
> Ganesh Annan:  I'm Ganesh. I'm a program manager at Digital
>   Bazaar, I gather requirements and implement VCs and DIDs
>
> Topic: Announcements & Reminders
>
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/
> Kimhd_: Just got an email that KNOW Identity has been postponed
>   ...RWOT is going to be done virtually
>   ...Christopher could you speak to it
> Joe Andrieu:  We are not going to do a virtual meeting due to
>   time constraints.
> Kimhd_: Thank you.
> Adrian Gropper:  I'm trying to see if there is anyone interested
>   to work on an app for pandemic mitigation.
>   ... put a link in the chat for people to look at
>   ... contact me directly if interested
> Kimhd_: KNOW Identity is postponed
>
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-iiwxxx-30-2020a-tickets-79016788341
>   ... IIW is not cancelled yet
> http://www.cvent.com/d/fhqnf3/4W
>   ... Identiverse has not been cancelled yet
>   ... I am in Seattle and things are crazy around here
>   ... how could a developer help?
> https://github.com/nextstrain/nextstrain.org/issues/127
>   ... the tools that they are using here are things like github
> Kaliya Young: Adrian can you re-post the link?
>   ... I pasted a link to an issue
>   ... they deal with people with how people are able to help
>   ... helping out with documentation
>   ... if you want to help out please just let me know
>   ... you can look at their github directly or email me
>
> Topic: Progress on Action Items
>
>   ... we may not have a lot to talk about here
>   ... please add yourself if there is anything you want to report
>   out.
>
> https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22action%3A+review+next%22
> Kimhd_: Closing out the DVCG...
>   ...anyone have anything they want to share on this
>   ... I noticed a lot of activity
>   ... noticed a lot of website re-directions and github
>   redirections
> Orie_: If you have an item in DVCG...
>   ... if you want active contribution
>   ... please help move it
>   ... as soon as we move the repos
>   ... the closer we will be to finishing
>   ... either mark to archive it or propose where it should be
>   moved
>   ... if the group is able to do this we can complete this
>   faster.
> Kimhd_: Thank you Orie
> Kimhd_: That was it for action items.
>
> Topic: DIF/W3C agreement in place
>
> Kimhd_: Balazs you are next.
> Balazs__DIF_: We came to agreement between W3C and DIF...
>   ... DIF will be holding the secure data storage WG
>   ... our first scoping call will be centered around an update
>   ... will be creating the scope around the WG for the call
>   ...  everyone who is interested and attended the super friends
>   call - we will do our 3rd one
>   ... this will have the legal backing and we are ready to start
> Kimhd_: Any questions?
>
> https://foundation.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d1001f187a746b68d2ea0d28&id=0d2c94018e&e=9a0a9edd2d
>   ... did you send out the information about the call on Friday?
> Balazs__DIF_: I can send a follow-up.
>   ... just also pasted a link to the form that can be used.
> Kimhd_: Questions?
>
> Topic: ZKP (Cred) Primer with Daniel Hardman
>
> http://j.mp/37ZIy5B
>   ... next is the ZKP Primer by Daniel Hardman
> Kimhd_: Over to Daniel Hardman
> Joe Andrieu:  Earlier Daniel you established the idea of
>   approximately zero...
>   ... isn't the signature approximately 0
> Dhh: No it is not 0
> Dave Longley:  The term approximately plays a role when the
>   signature value and a super unique name carries the same
>   weight...
> Dhh: Slide 24 addresses that a little bit. We can talk about it
>   more when we get there.
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12i_dBRCC864WcipEywz_WFSqvxPUKTA_KBqWzW-Hq2c/edit#slide=id.g6fffce0de9_0_109
> Dave Longley:  My other question is ZKP Proof vs. ZKP
>   Arguments...
>   ... ZK Snarks are different than ZK Proofs
>   ... ZK Proofs gives you computational zero knowledge
>   ... if someone has enough computational power then it can be
>   broken
>   ... are these not computational bound
> Dhh: The distinction that you are making is about the formal
>   definition...
>   ... when someone wags their finger they are usually living in
>   formal definition land
>   ... the short answer is ZK Snarks and other things like it is
>   what ZKP creds include
>   ... I am talking about ZKPs in the informal sense as long as
>   they meet the canonical definition
>   ... back to slide 14.
> Dave Longley: Seems "it's not a ZKP" is a matter of perspective
>   and that's important to note
> Kimhd_: Thank you this is a great overview...
>   ... we maybe will be able to have you on for a follow up
>   discussion.
> Kimhd_: Thank you everyone!
>
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