- From: Enders, Jessica (Hiser) <jessicae@hiser.com.au>
- Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:15:01 +1000
- To: <public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org>
Dear WCAG Working Group Thank you for responding to my comments on the WCAG 2.0 Last Call Draft of April 2006. I am 100% satisfied with the Working Group's responses to Comment 2 and Comment 3. I am mostly satisfied with the Working Group's response to Comment 1. Your proposed modification to the document reads: "Context-sensitive help only needs to be provided when the label is not sufficient to describe all functionality. In most cases, context-sensitive help should not be placed in the form itself, but should instead be available to users when they request it (e.g. by linking to a separate help file)." I agree with the first sentence but I disagree with the second sentence. I do not think the guidelines should stipulate /where/ the context-sensitive help should be placed. I feel that placement should be done in such a way to maximise usability within the particular context (whilst not creating accessibility issues, of course). For example, some context-sensitive help may be best placed as a tip beside or underneath the field label (e.g. "In whole dollars - do not include cents") whereas other context-sensitive help may be more appropriately placed in a separate help file (e.g. if there is a considerable amount of descriptive information associated with a product). Moreover, removing the help from the form itself usually means the /existence/ of such help is less obvious to the user. It may also make it seem like the help is general, not context-sensitive (e.g. if a "Help" icon is provided as part of the header to a page). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Suggested refinement: "Context-sensitive help only needs to be provided when the label is not sufficient to describe all functionality. The existence of context-sensitive help should be obvious to the user and they should be able to obtain it whenever they require it." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kind regards Jessica Enders Senior Consultant - The Hiser Group Ph: +61 (0)3 9648 4331 ::: Fax: +61 (0)3 9648 4390 18/535 Bourke Street, Melbourne, VIC, 3000, AUSTRALIA www.hiser.com.au | jessicae@hiser.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com] Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:37 AM To: Enders, Jessica (Hiser) Cc: public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org Subject: Your comments on WCAG 2.0 Last Call Draft of April 2006 Dear Jessica Enders , Thank you for your comments on the 2006 Last Call Working Draft of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 (WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/). We appreciate the interest that you have taken in these guidelines. We apologize for the delay in getting back to you. We received many constructive comments, and sometimes addressing one issue would cause us to revise wording covered by an earlier issue. We therefore waited until all comments had been addressed before responding to commenters. This message contains the comments you submitted and the resolutions to your comments. Each comment includes a link to the archived copy of your original comment on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/, and may also include links to the relevant changes in the updated WCAG 2.0 Public Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/. PLEASE REVIEW the decisions for the following comments and reply to us by 7 June at public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org to say whether you are satisfied with the decision taken. Note that this list is publicly archived. We also welcome your comments on the rest of the updated WCAG 2.0 Public Working Draft by 29 June 2007. We have revised the guidelines and the accompanying documents substantially. A detailed summary of issues, revisions, and rationales for changes is at http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/05/change-summary.html . Please see http://www.w3.org/WAI/ for more information about the current review. Thank you, Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact On behalf of the WCAG Working Group ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 1: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060607043119.1B4CBDAF30@w3c4-bis.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-757) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (including rationale for proposed change): This Criterion states that \"Context-sensitive help is available for text input\". The accompanying advice on how to meet this criterion seems to suggest that such help must be available for ALL text input fields. If it is sufficient, to meet this criterion, to have clear labels for all text input fields, then you can ignore my comments here. However, if the guidelines are suggesting that there needs to be specific help text for every text-entry field, AS WELL AS a clear label, then please read on! As a professional and experienced questionnaire designer, I feel this is unreasonable and may in fact hinder usability for all users, not just those with a disability, and reduce data quality. It is well documented that providing examples for a question can, in fact, reduce the accuracy of the response because users tend to limit their thinking to just those provided examples. Moreover, good form design notes that the information required to provide a response should ideally be located with the label for that response field (ie don\'t separate instructions from the relevant questions). As such, authors should be incorporating all the information that is needed into the label/question, rather than providing some information in a separate area. Add to this the fact that there isn\'t much useful help that can be added to many text fields. For example, what help would you give for your own text field \"Proposed Change\" below? Adding text along the lines of \"Please type here a description of the change that you think we should make\" is superfluous, patronising and degrades the user experience. Please let us not return to the bad old days where even fields such as \"Family Name\" had an instruction that consequently made users feel like idiots, and contributed to the instruction blindness that is prevalent today. Proposed Change: Reword the criterion or its associated documentation to make it clear that: - in all cases, the label for the text entry field must clearly communicate what sort of information should be provided in the field - additional context-sensitive help need only be provided where it is reasonably required to explain what is to be entered, or to minimise the burden on the user. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- We have added clarification of this to the How to Meet document. It reads: Context-sensitive help only needs to be provided when the label is not sufficient to describe all functionality. In most cases, context-sensitive help should not be placed in the form itself, but should instead be available to users when they request it (e.g. by linking to a separate help file). ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 2: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060607043715.D7685DAF30@w3c4-bis.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-758) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (including rationale for proposed change): In the previous version of these guidelines there was a very specific criterion regarding placement of labels and their associated fields (10.2). There doesn\'t seem to be any mention of this in the current guidelines, yet I would have thought that placement significantly impacts on accessibility. For example, a screen reader experience with a label to the left of a field versus to the right would be quite different. Proposed Change: Suggest the ideal orientation of labels in reference to their associated fields, based on your knowledge of screen readers and related mechanisms people with disabilities use to navigate through forms. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- Assistive technology has advanced since the WCAG 1.0 guidelines were released. As long as the label is explicitly associated with a field, the assistive technologies can present the information to the user in an understandable manner. A technique which describes how to associate labels with fields already exists, see, H44: Using label elements to associate text labels with form controls. However, since visual positioning can be important, especially for pages translated into other languages, we have added an advisory technique to Success Criterion 1.3.1 and Guideline 3.2 titled "Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships." In addition, the Comparison of WCAG 1.0 to 2.0 document provides some information about where the label requirement exists in WCAG 2.0. ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 3: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060607045024.8AE0966368@dolph.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-759) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (including rationale for proposed change): This criterion states that \"when text requires reading ability more advanced than the lower secondary education level, supplemental content is available that does not require reading ability more advanced than the lower secondary education level.\" I don\'t see why this need apply when the content uses a controlled vocabulary and has a very specific target audience. For example, on a medical website used only by surgeons and describing new surgical research, why does there need to be a version of this text that someone at the lower secondary education level can understand? Certainly have diagrams etc to aid comprehension is important, for all users, but this may not be possible in many cases. Proposed Change: Modified criterion to allow specific exception for web content with specific target audiences utilising a widely accepted controlled vocabulary. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- Even specific target audiences may contain people who can understand the subject matter but have disabilities that make it difficult to deal with complex text. While reducing the complexity of the text will help all such people, the success criterion only requires additional supplementary material that will assist some of those users. ***Disclaimer*** This email and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged material and/or material subject to copyright; it is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee you shall not use, retain or disclose such information. 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