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From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:25:35 -0700
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From: mats.lundalv@vgregion.se <mats.lundalv@vgregion.se>
Date: Jun 12, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Ang: Fwd: Your comments on WCAG 2.0 Last Call Draft of April 2006
To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Cc: Lisa Seeman <lisa@ubaccess.com>, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>, "Andy Heath,Axelrod Research and
Computing" <AndyHeath@axelrod.plus.com>, Andy Heath
<a.k.heath@shu.ac.uk>, Gez Lemon <gez.lemon@gmail.com>, Roberto Scano
<rscano@iwa-italy.org>, Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au>, "Dr. Andy
Judson" <ajudson@computing.dundee.ac.uk>, Yvette Hoitink
<y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>, Marc Walraven <marc.walraven@ascii.be>,
"Fred Heddell MBE,Inclusion International"
<info@inclusion-international.org>, "Mrs. Zoe Apostolopoulou e-ISOTIS"
<zoe@e-isotis.org>, Andrew Arch <Andrew.Arch@visionaustralia.org>,
Sofia Celic <Sofia.Celic@visionaustralia.org>, "Keith Smith,BILD
(British Institute of Learning Disabilities)" <k.smith@bild.org.uk>,
Peter Rainger <peter.rainger@googlemail.com>, Erlend Øverby
<erland.overby@hypatia.no>, William Loughborough <love26@gorge.net>,
Geert Freyhoff Inclusion Europe <G.Freyhoff@inclusion-europe.org>,
Mencap Accessibility Unit <accessibility@mencap.org.uk>, "Antonia
Hyde,United Response" <Antonia.Hyde@unitedresponse-org.uk>, "Diane
Lightfoot,United Response" <Diane.Lightfoot@unitedresponse-org.uk>,
"Jo Kidd,The Skillnet Group" <jo.kidd@skillnetgroup.co.uk>, Dan Edney
The Skillnet Group <dan.edney@skillnetgroup.co.uk>, "United Response
(UR)" <info@unitedresponse.org.uk>, "Liddy Nevile,La Trobe University"
<liddy@sunriseresearch.org>, "Andy Minnion,The Rix Centre"
<andy.minnion@rixcentre.org>, "Simon Evans,The Rix Centre"
<simon.evans@rixcentre.org>, Jim Byrne GAWDS
<jim@glasgowwestend.co.uk>, Jim Byrne GAWDS <jim.byrne@gawds.org>, Mel
Pedley <mel.pedley@gawds.org>, "Caroline Lambie,Mencap Web
Communications Manager" <caroline.lambie@mencap.org.uk>, "Andrew
Holman,Inspired Services" <info@inspiredservices.co.uk>, "Robert
Hubbert,Ubisan" <info@ubisan.com>, "John Nissen,Cloudworld Ltd"
<jn@cloudworld.co.uk>, Roger Hudson <rhudson@usability.com.au>, Janine
Ness <info@idlimited.co.uk>, "Zoe Porter,Valuing People"
<Zoe.Porter@dh.gsi.gov.uk>, "Sue Carmichael,Valuing People"
<Sue.Carmichael@dh.gsi.gov.uk>, Geoff Stead <info@ctad.co.uk>, "David
Sloan,Digital Media Access Group" <dsloan@computing.dundee.ac.uk>,
Simon Cramp <simon.cramp@mencap.org.uk>, Ann Fergusson
<ann.fergusson@northampton.ac.uk>, "Dr. Robin Boast"
<rbb10@cam.ac.uk>, "Neel Shearer,CALL (Communication Aids for Language
and Learning) Centre" <neel.shearer@education.ed.ac.uk>, "Paul
Brown,The Scottish Disability Team" <p.d.brown@dundee.ac.uk>, Jim Ley
<jim@jibbering.com>, TechDis <helpdesk@techdis.ac.uk>,
katarina.muhlenbock@vgregion.se, "Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y
Restrepo,Sidar" <coordina@sidar.org>, "Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y
Restrepo,Sidar" <emmanuelle@sidar.org>, mats.lundalv@vgregion.se, Sari
Follansbee <sari@jason.org>, "Sally Paveley,Advisory Unit"
<sallyp@advisory-unit.org.uk>, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>,
Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>, Michael Cooper
<cooper@w3.org>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>,
bengt.farre@androtech.se, bengt.farre@jeppesen.com


Hello to all,

In my view, these statements of limitations now make the draft
generally much more acceptable from the perspective of people with
learning, cognitive and language disabilities.

However, I would strongly suggest that the wording "... especially
people with language, learning, and cognitive disabilities, or
multiple severe disabilities" from the Quick Reference draft
introduction should be re-used also in the ...#abstract and
...#overview-levels  sections in the main document, as the more
general statements of limitations there may now still, in isolation,
give the impression that learning, cognitive and language disabilities
are supported on roughly the same level as other disabilities, which
is clearly not the case. The ...#intro section makes this clear,
together with the need for further work in this area, which is fine.

All the best,

Mats Lundälv
DART, reg.hab., Drottning Silvias barn- och ungdomssjukhus, SU
och
Specialpedagogiska institutet
Kruthusgatan 17, SE-411 04 Göteborg, Sweden
www.dart-gbg.org ,  www.sit.se
tel: +46 (0)31 7398093,   mobil:+46 (0)705 298093,
fax: +46 (0)31 7398090
E-post: mats.lundalv@vgregion.se eller mats.lundalv@sit.se

-----"Loretta Guarino Reid" <lorettaguarino@google.com> skrev: -----

Till: "Lisa Seeman" <lisa@ubaccess.com>, "Jonathan Chetwynd"
<j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>, "Andy Heath, Axelrod Research and
Computing" <AndyHeath@axelrod.plus.com>, "Andy Heath"
<a.k.heath@shu.ac.uk>, "Gez Lemon" <gez.lemon@gmail.com>, "Roberto
Scano" <rscano@iwa-italy.org>, "Gian Sampson-Wild" <gian@tkh.com.au>,
"Dr. Andy Judson" <ajudson@computing.dundee.ac.uk>, "Yvette Hoitink"
<y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>, "Marc Walraven" <marc.walraven@ascii.be>,
"Fred Heddell MBE, Inclusion International"
<info@inclusion-international.org>, "Mrs. Zoe Apostolopoulou e-ISOTIS"
<zoe@e-isotis.org>, "Andrew Arch" <Andrew.Arch@visionaustralia.org>,
"Sofia Celic" <Sofia.Celic@visionaustralia.org>, "Keith Smith, BILD
(British Institute of Learning Disabilities)" <k.smith@bild.org.uk>,
"Peter Rainger" <peter.rainger@googlemail.com>, "Erlend Øverby"
<erland.overby@hypatia.no>, "William Loughborough" <love26@gorge.net>,
"Geert Freyhoff Inclusion Europe" <G.Freyhoff@inclusion-europe.org>,
"Mencap Accessibility Unit" <accessibility@mencap.org.uk>, "Antonia
Hyde, United Response" <Antonia.Hyde@unitedresponse-org.uk>, "Diane
Lightfoot, United Response" <Diane.Lightfoot@unitedresponse-org.uk>,
"Jo Kidd, The Skillnet Group" <jo.kidd@skillnetgroup.co.uk>, "Dan
Edney The Skillnet Group" <dan.edney@skillnetgroup.co.uk>, "United
Response (UR) " <info@unitedresponse.org.uk>, "Liddy Nevile, La Trobe
University" <liddy@sunriseresearch.org>, "Andy Minnion, The Rix
Centre" <andy.minnion@rixcentre.org>, "Simon Evans, The Rix Centre"
<simon.evans@rixcentre.org>, "Jim Byrne GAWDS"
<jim@glasgowwestend.co.uk>, "Jim Byrne GAWDS" <jim.byrne@gawds.org>,
"Mel Pedley" <mel.pedley@gawds.org>, "Caroline Lambie, Mencap Web
Communications Manager" <caroline.lambie@mencap.org.uk>, "Andrew
Holman, Inspired Services" <info@inspiredservices.co.uk>, "Robert
Hubbert, Ubisan" <info@ubisan.com>, "John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd "
<jn@cloudworld.co.uk>, "Roger Hudson" <rhudson@usability.com.au>,
"Janine Ness" <info@idlimited.co.uk>, "Zoe Porter, Valuing People"
<Zoe.Porter@dh.gsi.gov.uk>, "Sue Carmichael, Valuing People"
<Sue.Carmichael@dh.gsi.gov.uk>, "Geoff Stead" <info@ctad.co.uk>,
"David Sloan, Digital Media Access Group"
<dsloan@computing.dundee.ac.uk>, "Simon Cramp"
<simon.cramp@mencap.org.uk>, "Ann Fergusson"
<ann.fergusson@northampton.ac.uk>, "Dr. Robin Boast "
<rbb10@cam.ac.uk>, "Neel Shearer, CALL (Communication Aids for
Language and Learning) Centre" <neel.shearer@education.ed.ac.uk>,
"Paul Brown, The Scottish Disability Team " <p.d.brown@dundee.ac.uk>,
"Jim Ley" <jim@jibbering.com>, TechDis <helpdesk@techdis.ac.uk>,
"Katarina Mühlenbock, Dart" <katarina.muhlenbock@vgregion.se>,
"Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo, Sidar " <coordina@sidar.org>,
"Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo, Sidar" <emmanuelle@sidar.org>, "Mats
Lundälv Dart" <mats.lundalv@vgregion.se>, "Sari Follansbee"
<sari@jason.org>, "Sally Paveley, Advisory Unit"
<sallyp@advisory-unit.org.uk>
Från: "Loretta Guarino Reid" <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Datum: 2007-06-12 16:45
Kopia: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "Loretta Guarino
Reid" <lorettaguarino@google.com>, "Michael Cooper" <cooper@w3.org>,
"Judy Brewer" <jbrewer@w3.org>
Ärende: Fwd: Your comments on WCAG 2.0 Last Call Draft of April 2006


During the public comment period for the April 2006 Last Call Draft of
WCAG 2.0, we received a formal objection about lack of support for
people with cognitive, learning, and language disabilities [1]. Since
then, we have made a number of changes in response to your objection
and to other comments that we received, and we have returned WCAG 2.0
to Public Working Draft status.

The response to the formal objection was sent to the person who
submitted the comment, Lisa Seeman, and posted to the public comments
mailing list [2]. However, we would like to be sure that others who
signed the formal objection are also aware of the response from the
working group, and that you have an opportunity to review the new
draft of WCAG 2.0, and reply to our responses or submit additional
comments as you wish. Please send your replies or comments by 29 June
2007.

Although we have attempted to find email addresses for the people who
submitted this comment, we have not always been successful. Please
forward this message to others on the list if you have their
addresses.

Thank you,

Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair
Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair
Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact

On behalf of the WCAG Working Group

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006Jun/0118.html
[2]  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007May/0075.html


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Date: May 17, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Your comments on WCAG 2.0 Last Call Draft of April 2006 (1 of 6)
To: Lisa Seeman <lisa@ubaccess.com>
Cc: public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org


Dear Lisa and colleagues,

Thank you for your comments on the 2006 Last Call Working Draft of the
Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 (WCAG 2.0
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/). We appreciate the
interest that you have taken in these guidelines.

We apologize for the delay in getting back to you. We received many
constructive comments, and sometimes addressing one issue would cause
us to revise wording covered by an earlier issue. We therefore waited
until all comments had been addressed before responding to commenters.

This message contains the comments you submitted and the resolutions
to your comments. Each comment includes a link to the archived copy of
your original comment on
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/, and may
also include links to the relevant changes in the updated WCAG 2.0
Public Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/.

PLEASE REVIEW the decisions  for the following comments and reply to
us by 7 June at public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org to say whether you are
satisfied with the decision taken. Note that this list is publicly
archived.

We also welcome your comments on the rest of the updated WCAG 2.0
Public Working Draft by 29 June 2007. We have revised the guidelines
and the accompanying documents substantially. A detailed summary of
issues, revisions, and rationales for changes is at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/05/change-summary.html . Please see
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ for more information about the current review.

Thank you,

Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair
Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair
Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact

On behalf of the WCAG Working Group

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Comment 1:

Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/10be01c69450$aa336fb0$6400a8c0@IBM4CD7E5EACA1
(Issue ID: LC-1036)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006Jun/0118.html

WCAG 2.0 claims to define and address the requirements for making Web
content accessible to those with learning difficulties, cognitive
limitations and others. We object to that claim.

Specifically, the success criteria requirements for making content
understandable largly ignore the needs of people with learning
difficulties and cognitive limitations.  Please note that there are
guidelines published by other groups that  will make content much more
accessible to these users. However, with the WCAG claim to address
learning difficulties and cognitive limitations, people will not know
that they need to look further.

We would like to see continued work in this field and a statement in
the WCAG 2.0 abstract and introduction modifying the claim that they
currently address accessibility for  learning disabilities.
Specifically, we recommend removing learning difficulties and
cognitive limitations  from the list of supported disabilities. A
sentence may be added later in the abstract that  "these guidelines
may also provide some benefits for  people with learning difficulties
and cognitive limitations".  We would then like to see a statement of
intent such as: "the working group intends to build additional success
criteria to address accessibility for learning disabilities and
cognitive limitations."


All the best,

Lisa Seeman, www.ubaccess.com
Jonathan Chetwynd,  Accessible Solutions
Andy Heath, Axelrod Research and Computing
Gez Lemon, www.juicystudio.com
Roberto Scano
Gian Sampson-Wild
Dr. Andy Judson
Yvette Hoitink
Marc Walraven
Fred Heddell MBE, Inclusion International
Mrs. Zoe Apostolopoulou e-ISOTIS
Andrew Arch Vision Australia
Sofia Celic  Vision Australia
Keith Smith, BILD (British Institute of Learning Disabilities)
Peter Rainger
Erlend Øverby
William Loughborough
Geert Freyhoff  Inclusion Europe
Better Days advocacy group
Mencap Accessibility Unit
The Rix Centre (for Innovation and  Learning disability)
Antonia Hyde, United Response
Diane Lightfoot, United Response
Jo Kidd, The Skillnet Group
Dan Edney The Skillnet Group
United Response (UR)
Liddy Nevile, La Trobe University
Andy Minnion, The Rix Centre
Simon Evans, The Rix Centre
Jim Byrne,   GAWDS
Mel Pedley
 Pamela E Berman
Caroline Lambie,  Mencap Web  Communications Manager.
 Andrew Holman,  Inspired Services
Robert Hubbert, Ubisan
John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd
Paul Williams
Roger Hudson
Janine Ness
Zoe Porter, Valuing People
Sue Carmichael, Valuing People
Geoff Stead
David Sloan, Digital Media Access Group
Simon Cramp
Ann Fergusson
Dr. Robin Boast
Matthew Smith
Neel Shearer, CALL (Communication Aids for Language and Learning) Centre
Paul Brown, The Scottish Disability Team
Jim Ley
Sally Cooper
TechDis
Katarina Mühlenbock,  Dart
Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo, Sidar
Mats Lundälv  Dart
Sari Follansbee
Sarah Riley
Sally Paveley,  Advisory Unit

----------------------------
Response from Working Group:
----------------------------

We have added language to the Introduction, the Conformance section,
and the Quick Reference to highlight the fact that WCAG 2.0 only
addresses some of the needs of people with cognitive, learning, and
language disabilities, and to call out the need for more research in
this area. WAI is exploring ways in which to support and encourage
work in this important area.

See WCAG 2.0:
  http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#abstract
  http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#intro
  http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#overview-levels

Quick Reference:
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20070517/#intro

We have added some best practices for cognitive, learning, and
language disabilities as advisory techniques, and this draft contains
three new success criteria in this area.

New success criteria:

SC 2.4.9 Where content is organized into sections, the sections are
indicated with headings.

SC 3.3.4 Labels or instructions are provided when content requires user input

SC 3.3.6 For forms that require the user to submit information, at
least one of the following is true:

   1. Reversible: Transactions are reversible.
   2. Checked: Submitted data is checked for input errors before going
on to the next step in the process.
   3. Confirmed: A mechanism is available for reviewing, confirming,
and correcting information before finalizing the transaction.

Advisory techniques:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20070517/#N1255F
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