- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:34:22 +0200
- To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi,
The minutes of today's call are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html
... and copied as text below.
Resolutions taken during the call:
- WBXML isn't widely supported enough for non-WML languages to warrant
recommendations in the MWABP
- On the Techniques: the WG is not responsible for transferring the
techniques any longer. Close ISSUE-239
The poll on the accessibility documents was extended by 4 weeks to allow
Jeff and al to work on that. Please make sure you review the docs and
complete the poll:
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/WAI-Mobile-Experiences/
Francois.
11 Sep 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0027.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
jeffs, jo, aconnors, Francois, yeliz, Dom, heiko, achuter,
DavidStorey, SeanP, DRooks, Kai_Dietrich, Manrique
Regrets
Bryan, Pontus, Abel, Miguel, Ed, Rob, Scott, Nacho, DKA
Chair
Jo
Scribe
Alan
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Status of sign-ups to new group
2. [6]F2f Agenda
3. [7]Reports from Task Forces
4. [8]Document Updates
5. [9]Accessibility and mandatory poll
6. [10]Actions & issues
7. [11]Open actions
8. [12]AOB
* [13]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
[David Storey of Operra Software, introduction]
Status of sign-ups to new group
Dom: If people are having touble signing up, should contact me
<dom> [14]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/status
[14] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/status
Jo: Someone asked how they can tell if their AC rep has done it.
Dom: Status list [link above]
F2f Agenda
Jo: Nothing more to add.
<dom> ACTION-835?
<trackbot> ACTION-835 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to contact
Stéphane to see if he is interested in presenting MW4D to BPWG at
TPAC -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/835
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/835
Dom: Stéphane Boyera will be able to present during F2F. Should let
him know what day we want.
Reports from Task Forces
Francois: content Transform TF. We decided to keep it going for now
to complete work on documents (LC comments)
... Will take a few weeks.
Jo: Korean TF, nobody present, Checker, nobody present
Document Updates
<dom> ACTION-837?
<trackbot> ACTION-837 -- Kai Scheppe to provide explanatory text for
the addendum which will put the document (mobileOK Pro Tests 1) in
the correct context and explain to the audience that it is intended
to aid content authors in creating still better content. -- due
2008-09-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/837
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/837
Kai: Have not been able to read comments
Adam: BP 2.0. Have not been able to work on it in August, but have
received more BPs to add. Will send list to group.
Jo: Should track as issues?
Adam: Seven from Bryan one from Jo.
<dom> [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/new
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/new
<manrique> about the checker, miguel has told me that there aren't
news
Accessibility and mandatory poll
see
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0002.htm
l
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0002.html
<dom>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/WAI-Mobile-Experiences/resul
ts
[19]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/WAI-Mobile-Experiences/results
<dom> 4 answers
<dom> (closed yesterday)
Francois: Not many people have answered mandatory poll.
<dom> ACTION-820?
<trackbot> ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing
examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-09-25 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820
Jeff: Will soon be meeting and reviewing the document
Jo: should hold off finishing this document until Jeff has reported.
Jeff: Need three or four weeks
Yeliz, Alan: No problem
Dom: don't foresee any IP problems
<dom> s/andy/any/
<jeffs> have updated ACTION-820 to read: due 2008-10-02, and "open"
Yeliz: Have addressed dom's comments, now need to do Jo's comments
Jo: Please extend poll by four weeks.
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20080901
[21]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20080901
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-eo-editors/2008Sep/0000.
html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-eo-editors/2008Sep/0000.html
Alan: Comments received from Lisa Pappas yet to be addressed.
... Will published new WD.
<dom> ACTION-841?
<trackbot> ACTION-841 -- Jo Rabin to review WSC comment and propose
new wording -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841
<dom> [24]Jo's reworked text for mobileOK
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0019.html
<dom> +1
Jo: Basic Tests. Comments received from Thomas. Is editorial change.
<francois> +1
Jo: comments on proposal?
[None]
Actions & issues
<dom> [25]Pending Review actions
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview
<dom> ACTION-688?
<trackbot> ACTION-688 -- David Storey to check if Opera supports
WBXML in and/or out of its WML support -- due 2008-03-11 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/688
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/688
<dom> [27]David's response
[27]
http://www.w3.org/mid/4F887FF1-7F68-4FA1-86AB-19548D8536A6%2540opera.com
David: waiting reply from Opera Mini team
<dom> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: WBXML isn't widely supported enough for
non-WML languages to warrant recommendations in the MWABP
<jo> +1
<francois> +1
<Kai> +1
<jeffs> +1
<dstorey> +1
<manrique> +1
RESOLUTION: WBXML isn't widely supported enough for non-WML
languages to warrant recommendations in the MWABP
<dom> close ACTION-688
<trackbot> ACTION-688 Check if Opera supports WBXML in and/or out of
its WML support closed
<dom> ACTION-689?
<trackbot> ACTION-689 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to check XHR
compression -- due 2008-03-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/689
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/689
Dom: No changes needed to document.
<dom> [29]Dom's investigations of compressed XHR
[29] http://www.w3.org/mid/1220971373.19890.230.camel%2540localhost
<dom> close ACTION-689
<trackbot> ACTION-689 Check XHR compression closed
<dom> ACTION-786?
<trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix
that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are
different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786
<dom> [31]Jo's wording
[31] http://www.w3.org/mid/4875E85F.50608%2540mtld.mobi
<hgerlach> sorry, have to leave for next meeting-bye
<dom> ACTION-792?
<trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG --
due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792
<dom> [33]Abel's contribution
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.html
<dom> ACTION-793?
<trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Kai Scheppe to work with Scott to produce
proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 -- due 2008-06-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793
<dom> [35]Kai's contribution
[35]
http://www.w3.org/mid/398533C370C23441981074C456AA3BDD031DB8AF%2540QEO00226.de.t-online.corp
<dom> ACTION-824?
<trackbot> ACTION-824 -- Bryan Sullivan to raise issues on things
he's not happy about, especially personalisation -- due 2008-08-06
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/824
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/824
<dom> close ACTION-824
<trackbot> ACTION-824 Raise issues on things he's not happy about,
especially personalisation closed
<dom> ACTION: Adam to raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-844 - Raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's
comments [on Adam Connors - due 2008-09-18].
<dom> Kai: we've put in practice what we've described above - it
does work
<dom> ACTION-826?
<trackbot> ACTION-826 -- Jo Rabin to work with _DAN_ and Francois to
set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks -- due 2008-09-04 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/826
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/826
<dom> close ACTION-826
<trackbot> ACTION-826 Work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web
form, deadline a couple of weeks closed
<dom> ACTION-827?
<trackbot> ACTION-827 -- Jo Rabin to follow up on what happened to
ETSI liaison at their end -- due 2008-09-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/827
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/827
<Kai> ACTION: Kai to finalize information on caching concept, now
live, and contribute it to the list. [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-845 - Finalize information on caching
concept, now live, and contribute it to the list. [on Kai Scheppe -
due 2008-09-18].
<dom> close ACTION-827
<trackbot> ACTION-827 Follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at
their end closed
<dom> close ACTION-828
<trackbot> ACTION-828 Get back on LC-2043 and simialr pointing out
what we are trying to achieve and asking for clarification closed
<dom> ACTION-835?
<trackbot> ACTION-835 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to contact
Stéphane to see if he is interested in presenting MW4D to BPWG at
TPAC -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/835
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/835
<dom> ACTION-841?
<trackbot> ACTION-841 -- Jo Rabin to review WSC comment and propose
new wording -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841
<dom> -1
Open actions
<dom> [43]25 overdue actions
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue
<dom> [44]sorted by owner
[44]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
<dom> ACTION-790?
<trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around
accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices --
due 2008-07-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790
Alan: Apologies, promises to do it for next week.
<dom> ACTION-797?
<trackbot> ACTION-797 -- Adam Connors to check on availability of
data about the number of acceptable links in a focus-based browser
-- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797
<dom> ACTION-797: Adam says this cannot be done with a reasonable
amount of efforts
<trackbot> ACTION-797 Check on availability of data about the number
of acceptable links in a focus-based browser notes added
Adam: Can not be done with reasonable amount of work. Propose not to
do it.
Kai: We can close it.
Jeff: Have been asked about this by several developers. Would
prefere postponing it.
... Will come back with more information next week.
<dom> ACTION-797?
<trackbot> ACTION-797 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to check on availability
of data about the number of acceptable links in a focus-based
browser -- due 2008-09-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797
[47] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797
Kai: Had picked a value of 30, Jeff please check it with your
people.
<dom> ACTION-823?
<trackbot> ACTION-823 -- Adam Connors to stimulate another round of
discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD -- due 2008-08-07 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823
<dom> ACTION-824?
<trackbot> ACTION-824 -- Bryan Sullivan to raise issues on things
he's not happy about, especially personalisation -- due 2008-08-07
-- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/824
[49] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/824
<dom> ISSUE-265?
<trackbot> ISSUE-265 -- Discussion of Jonathan's Submission ref
separation of structure presentation and behavior at
[50]http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn -- OPEN
[50] http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn
<trackbot>
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265
<dom> ACTION-794?
<trackbot> ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on
ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794
[52] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794
<dom> ACTION-804?
<trackbot> ACTION-804 -- François Daoust to see with Soonho if he
can find someone else to provide feedback on the document -- due
2008-07-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[53]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/804
[53] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/804
<dom> ACTION-804: Francois pinged him several times, no reply
<trackbot> ACTION-804 See with Soonho if he can find someone else to
provide feedback on the document notes added
<dom> close ACTION-804
<trackbot> ACTION-804 See with Soonho if he can find someone else to
provide feedback on the document closed
<dom> ACTION-721?
<trackbot> ACTION-721 -- François Daoust to prepare a report's form
to fill to test Aaron static/dynamic example -- due 2008-08-14 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[54]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721
[54] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721
<dom> ACTION-799?
<trackbot> ACTION-799 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to get back to
rigo on updating the mobileOK license -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/799
[55] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/799
<dom> ACTION-762?
<trackbot> ACTION-762 -- Jo Rabin to review ISSUE-250 with a view to
how this affects content of mobileOK scheme -- due 2008-05-29 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[56]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762
[56] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762
<jo> ACTION-806?
<trackbot> ACTION-806 -- Bryan Sullivan to send initial comments on
Widget Requirements -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[57]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/806
[57] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/806
<dom> close ACTION-806
<trackbot> ACTION-806 Send initial comments on Widget Requirements
closed
<dom> ISSUE-249?
<trackbot> ISSUE-249 -- Should we include information use of DCCI in
BP2? -- RAISED
<trackbot>
[58]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/249
[58] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/249
dom: two still pending review
... Propose closing 249, out of scope
<dom> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The WG is not responsible for
transferring the techniques any longer. Close ISSUE-239.
<dom> ISSUE-239?
<trackbot> ISSUE-239 -- We still have not found a suitable home for
the Techniques. -- RAISED
<trackbot>
[59]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/239
[59] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/239
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The WG is not responsible for transferring
the techniques any longer. Close ISSUE-239.
<francois> +1
<dom> +1
<jeffs> +1
<jo> +1
RESOLUTION: The WG is not responsible for transferring the
techniques any longer. Close ISSUE-239
<dom> [60]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/
[60] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/
AOB
<dom> [61]current registrants for next F2F
[61] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/registrants#mwbp
<jeffs> I'm there ®
[Call ends]
<manrique> bye
<yeliz> bye
<jeffs> quit
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Adam to raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments
[recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to finalize information on caching concept, now
live, and contribute it to the list. [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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