- From: Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:58:16 -0500
- To: "Denenberg, Ray" <rden@loc.gov>
- Cc: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>, Web Annotation <public-annotation@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CABzPtBJiZ-DhAU6MGMVCwDuNfEgsg6EVsSYG27Z1zN17O6Gs1Q@mail.gmail.com>
That seems really confusing, I would think that if the blank node was converted into an IRI or URI then the same identifier would be used for each instance of that particular blank node after all it's not the case that the blank node has no identifier at all, just that it's identity is specific to the graph instance it is a part of. So the triples would become: <anno1> hasRoleAssignment <URI> <URI> for <anno1> <URI> role <role1> <URI> assignedTo <body1> I think the suggested oa:for predicate in this structure looks somewhat redundant, i.e., it's hard not to imagine that it's just the reciprocal of the suggested oa:hasRoleAssignment. Other than that potential quibble this looks pretty reasonable -- more specificity for the cost of more structure. Regards, Jacob _____________________________________________________ Jacob Jett Research Assistant Center for Informatics Research in Science and Scholarship The Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 501 E. Daniel Street, MC-493, Champaign, IL 61820-6211 USA (217) 244-2164 jjett2@illinois.edu On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov> wrote: > Hi Jacob – it’s a tough question because you get into the weeds of blank > nodes vs. independent resource, of which there was much discussion today, > which I have skimmed but not absorbed. But I think the issue here is that > the role assignment might originally treat the role assignment as a blank > node, but someone could turn it into a reusable resource. Then you have: > > > > <uri> a RoleAssignment ; > > role <roleX> ; > > for <bodyX> . > > And without the forAnnotation, the annotation is lost. I don’t know, Let > Rob figure it out. > > > > Ray > > > > *From:* jgjett@gmail.com [mailto:jgjett@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Jacob > Jett > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 5:27 PM > *To:* Denenberg, Ray > *Cc:* Paolo Ciccarese; Web Annotation > > *Subject:* Re: roles and multiple bodies > > > > Hi Ray, > > > > To follow up on Paolo's question, isn't a roleAssignment a property of the > Annotation itself in the proposed solution? > > > > So you get the following triples: > > > > _:anno1 hasRoleAssignment _:b1 > > _:b1 for _:anno1 > > _:b1 role _:role1 > > _:b1 assignedTo _:body1 > > > > So I suppose the question is how is the oa:for predicate different from > the reciprocal of the oa:hasRoleAssignment predicate? > > > > Regards, > > > > Jacob > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Jacob Jett > Research Assistant > Center for Informatics Research in Science and Scholarship > The Graduate School of Library and Information Science > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > 501 E. Daniel Street, MC-493, Champaign, IL 61820-6211 USA > (217) 244-2164 > jjett2@illinois.edu > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov> wrote: > > Hi Paolo, > > > > I felt the forAnnotation to be necessary, because without it, you would be > saying “this role is assigned to this body”, independent of any particular > annotation. So if some other role were to be assigned to that body, for a > different annotation, there would be a conflict. > > > > Ray > > > > *From:* Paolo Ciccarese [mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 5:13 PM > *To:* Denenberg, Ray > *Cc:* Web Annotation > *Subject:* Re: roles and multiple bodies > > > > Hi Ray, > > Is the subject of oa:hasRoleAssignment still the annotation? > > I would probably remove oa:forAnnotation as it looks redundant to me. > > > > It is a little bit indirect in JSON but it seems a possible solution. > > Who needs to be more specific could add those sections. > > > > Paolo > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov> wrote: > > Has the following approach been considered? I don’t think it violates any > of the principles that Rob is defending, because it explicitly narrows the > scope of the role to the annotation: > > > > > > <http://www.example.org/annotation > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_annotation&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=5hECq5TfN96rXIn1jVdxJjZccwEqUCEfEW1GY-WYCac&e=>> > a oa:Annotation ; > > > > oa:hasTarget <http://www.example.org/target > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_target&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=aenpIrvMN6tUgwowQE3_VLlxaLWoX6Ue3KRT8vQgh_0&e=>> > ; > > > > oa:hasBody <http://www.example.org/body1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body1&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=vVlBuqPDsswj2vE1zNds9DmKw3MkrRzJkxWx_73H35Q&e=>> > ; > > oa:hasBody <http://www.example.org/body2 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body2&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=anRcp9_bFjDMdhyk6UnkjlwNHbKAUlriR0ZKOKtlYjg&e=>> > ; > > oa:hasBody <http://www.example.org/body2 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body2&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=anRcp9_bFjDMdhyk6UnkjlwNHbKAUlriR0ZKOKtlYjg&e=>> > ; > > > > oa:hasRoleAssignment [ > > oa:role <role1> ; > > oa:assignedTo <http://www.example.org/body1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body1&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=vVlBuqPDsswj2vE1zNds9DmKw3MkrRzJkxWx_73H35Q&e=>> > ; > > oa:forAnnotation <http://www.example.org/annotation > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_annotation&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=5hECq5TfN96rXIn1jVdxJjZccwEqUCEfEW1GY-WYCac&e=>> > ] ; > > > > oa:hasRoleAssignment [ > > oa:role <role2> ; > > oa:assignedTo <http://www.example.org/body2 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body2&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=anRcp9_bFjDMdhyk6UnkjlwNHbKAUlriR0ZKOKtlYjg&e=>> > ; > > oa:forAnnotation <http://www.example.org/annotation > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_annotation&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=5hECq5TfN96rXIn1jVdxJjZccwEqUCEfEW1GY-WYCac&e=>> > ] ; > > > > > > oa:hasRoleAssignment [ > > oa:role <role3> ; > > oa:assignedTo <http://www.example.org/body3 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_body3&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=K-Vywo-KDw12WmvUM2HlDsyomgdqMsyk5hh5It1NUEo&e=>> > ; > > oa:forAnnotation <http://www.example.org/annotation > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.example.org_annotation&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=5hECq5TfN96rXIn1jVdxJjZccwEqUCEfEW1GY-WYCac&e=>> > ] . > > --Ray > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Paolo Ciccarese > > Principal Knowledge and Software Engineer at PerkinElmer Innovation Lab > > Assistant Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School > > > Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital > > ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-5156-2703 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__orcid.org_0000-2D0002-2D5156-2D2703&d=AwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=FgXE3Py8DP9ZR2E1CvubZFrbjIgqiy0v_1XBzDcctL8&s=E-EN7VZum-gHElx-U74k-dGlYuo0DHr55IRcOtIjVfI&e=> > > >
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