- From: Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:14:05 +0000
- To: Sharon D Snider <snidersd@us.ibm.com>, "public-adapt@w3.org" <public-adapt@w3.org>
Hi all,
Please find the minutes at https://www.w3.org/2022/07/18-adapt-minutes.html and below in plain text form for convenience...
Best regards,
Matthew
– DRAFT –
WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
18 July 2022
[2]IRC log.
[2] https://www.w3.org/2022/07/18-adapt-irc
Attendees
Present
becky, CharlesL, CharlesL1, janina, Lionel_Wolberger_,
Lisa, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi, Roy, Sharon
Regrets
-
Chair
Sharon
Scribe
Matthew_Atkinson
Contents
1. [3]CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR status and comments
2. [4]Announcement of the Content Module 1.0 CR Status for W3C
news - https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/
WAI_Announcement_Drafts
3. [5]Blog post on Content Module 1.0 CR Status (Lionel)
4. [6]3.6 edits / Editor's note for symbols (Janina action)
5. [7]TPAC 12-16 September 2022
6. [8]Disambiguate between HTML @rel and WAI-Adapt specified
"purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel)
7. [9]TPAC 12-16 September 2022
8. [10]Disambiguate between HTML @rel and WAI-Adapt specified
"purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel)
Meeting minutes
CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR status and comments
Sharon: Saw Jason's concerns about the CfC regarding the
EdNotes. Do we need to do any work on this?
Jason's email: [11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
public-apa-admin/2022Jul/0013.html
[11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Jul/0013.html
Roy: We can remove EdNotes before transition. We may want to
keep the one regarding prefixes.
CharlesL1: I think it's fine to keep EdNotes as-is at least
until the second CR.
Matthew_Atkinson: Some of the content in EdNotes, e.g. relating
to symbols, is really important to keep in the document. We
should be able to do that in some way.
Lionel_Wolberger_: I think Jason highlighted things we're aware
of, and are working on.
Lionel_Wolberger_: The "at risk pending implementations"
EdNotes: what do they mean?
Matthew_Atkinson: I believe this means if nobody implements it,
it may be removed.
CharlesL: We need two implementations to pass CR.
CharlesL: These are the things that we anticipate may struggle
to get two implementations.
Lisa: +1 to CharlesL. There were some things that seemed to be
getting traction, but others were more concerning.
janina: [confirms the requirement for two implementations]
Lionel_Wolberger_: If everything's at risk pending
implementations, why are there 7 particular instances where
this is called out?
janina: We can remove them.
Lionel_Wolberger_: We could record this on the list, but I
don't think it confers a better reading experience on the spec.
janina: +1 - I thought maybe there were specific issues in the
past that gave rise to these. If that's not the case let's take
these out, as they're generally true for any requirement.
<Lisa> +1 to remove them
Lionel_Wolberger_: We have a motion before us to remove those
EdNotes.
<CharlesL> +1 to remove thats fine.
Sharon: Sounds like we all agree on this.
+1
Sharon: Let's make this an action item.
Lionel_Wolberger_: I'll record the action.
janina: Jason gave us several editorial suggestions; didn't
want to block the CR.
CharlesL: We were talking about the email earlier in the
meeting and the suggestion to remove EdNotes; we want to keep
the content of those EdNotes, but the only one that needs to
remain an EdNote is the one about the prefix.
Lionel_Wolberger_: can janina or Roy remove them?
Roy: I can
<Roy> Change the ED note to Note.
Matthew_Atkinson: We need to change them to Notes, rather than
EdNotes, so we don't lose the content [checking with Roy and
janina that we can do that? -janina confirmed we can]
CharlesL: Roy: please can you make this change in a separate
PR, so we can see the change specifically.
Sharon: And we are still going to remove the "at risk pending
implementation" ones.
<Roy> [12]https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/
Implementations-of-Semantics
[12] https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Implementations-of-Semantics
Roy: Some implementations are listed on this page.
janina: They worked at the time, but don't believe these still
work.
<Roy> [13]https://www.w3.org/2021/
Process-20211102/#transition-cr
[13] https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#transition-cr
janina: We have historical experience of implementation, but no
current implementations.
Roy: Should be OK to transition to CR; need implementations
afterwards [to get past CR].
Sharon: Roy: you're clear to remove the 7 "at risk pending
implementation" notes, as part of this?
Roy: Yes
janina: Three things: (1) the "at risk" EdNotes come out; (2)
all the EdNotes except one become Notes; (3) the EdNote that
remains an EdNote is the one about us using data-* attributes
for now.
Roy: ACK
Announcement of the Content Module 1.0 CR Status for W3C news -
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
janina: I created a candidate 'blog post today. Corrected typos
and dates (through TPAC for comments).
janina: We're also asking for _no_ binary attachments, and
either GitHub issues, or plain text email, for comments.
janina: We're willing to work with anyone for whom this is an
accessibility challenge.
Lionel_Wolberger_: I'd like to add to the 'blog post.
janina: +1
janina: We're either running out of time, or will miss our
desired date of the 26th of July to move to CR.
Lionel_Wolberger_: My feeling is that Shawn could take what's
there at any moment. I could do a little more popularization.
How does this group want to be involved? Make a subcomittee, or
one or two people getting involved? Do we want to rewrite it
now for a few minutes?
Lionel_Wolberger_: I think we should be pushing towards press
releases and would like to tweak the language.
janina: It's generally better to get things right than work to
an artificial deadline. We'd like to get it done by the ADA
anniversary, and that is at risk (need to decide today), but
it's important to get it right.
Lionel_Wolberger_: Agree both are important.
Lionel_Wolberger_: E.g. the first sentence could be broken up.
janina: Agree. Other things are taken directly from our
Introduction or Explainer.
Lionel_Wolberger_: Is Shawn going to edit?
janina: It needs all the chairs' approval. Right now it says
it's not ready for review. Some of the links are not correct.
Sharon: Are we still trying to make the end of today?
janina: The group should decide. Roy can clean up the markup;
Shawn will help with the language. If we think this is close,
I'd say let it go and let's meet the 26th deadline. If we
tinker with it, changes will still be made.
Sharon: I'm fine with that. This has been a long time in the
making.
Sharon: Any objections to getting it in today?
To quote one of my colleagues: Let's do this!
CharlesL: The only thing I would say we should do today is to
get the links sorted.
janina: Roy will do this.
CharlesL: +1 then
Roy: There is a transition request process that requires the
technical director's approval. Maybe need extra time.
janina: The reality is we may miss the 26th, but we can try.
Lionel_Wolberger_: Trying to break up the first sentence...
<Lionel_Wolberger_> With this CR publication W3C is breaking
new ground in web accessibility.
<Lionel_Wolberger_> The specification provides for the first
time an initial set of element level metadata semantics.
<Lionel_Wolberger_> The WAI-Adapt specification enables authors
to add extra semantic information about content to enable
personalization for the individual user.
<Lionel_Wolberger_> Content authors can employ these semantics
to provide technological adaptations to address the needs of
various persons with cognitive and learning disabilities.
<Lionel_Wolberger_> This provides extra support and facilitates
user-agents for people with learning and cognitive
disabilities.
<Lionel_Wolberger_> ABOVE THIS ALL IS THIS SENTENCE
<Lionel_Wolberger_> [WAI-Adapt - Content Module 1.0 as a
Candidate Recommendation (CR)] ([15]https://www.w3.org/TR/
adapt-content/) and calling for implementations of this
specification.
[15] https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt-content/)
becky: suggest "for the first time, this specification
provides" (minor nit)
Lionel_Wolberger_: +1 to the first time emphasis
janina: Do we chairs approve this?
Matthew_Atkinson: +1
Roy: +1
janina: Let's tell Shawn; I'll let her know.
Roy: I should post a draft 'blog post, and create a PR for the
news on the WAI site.
janina: Let Shawn make edits first.
Lionel_Wolberger_: saying "this" specification "for the first
time" seems wrong; seems "a" is better?
janina: Maybe we remove the "first time" then.
janina: Shawn is a great wordsmith, and will work on this.
Blog post on Content Module 1.0 CR Status (Lionel)
3.6 edits / Editor's note for symbols (Janina action)
Sharon: Did we finish this?
janina: Yes; PRs all merged.
TPAC 12-16 September 2022
janina: We should be talking about this soon.
Disambiguate between HTML @rel and WAI-Adapt specified
"purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel)
TPAC 12-16 September 2022
janina: I think we'll show our work to DPUB
CharlesL: Working on attending IRL.
janina: same
Disambiguate between HTML @rel and WAI-Adapt specified
"purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel)
Sharon: Do we have time for this?
Lionel_Wolberger_: We wanted to discuss it; maybe not time
here.
janina: We found from Lisa when last we were on the call that
this was looked into, but decided that @rel was not relevant.
Need to point to the documentation for that.
Lisa: IIRC this is covered in the [GitHub] wiki.
<Lisa> [16]https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/
Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content
[16] https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content
Lisa: On inspection, @rel doesn't seem to be mentioned there.
<Lisa> [17]https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/
Review-of-approaches-for-Action,-Destination,-and-Purpose
[17] https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Review-of-approaches-for-Action,-Destination,-and-Purpose
<Lionel_Wolberger_> [18]https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/172
[18] https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/172
<Lionel_Wolberger_> John wrote,
<Lionel_Wolberger_> The difference between the @rel attribute
values and @destination attribute values only has one apparent
overlap: Help.
janina: Don't think we need this for CR, but we need to be
ready with more information soon.
Lionel_Wolberger_: John called what we all were noticing; let's
keep it on the agenda.
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On 15/07/2022, 21:37, "Sharon D Snider" <snidersd@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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Please review the agenda for Monday's WAI-Adapt TF call and let us know if there are any other topics that need to be added:
Chair: Sharon
* agenda+ CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR status and comments
* agenda+ Announcement of the Content Module 1.0 CR Status for W3C news (Sharon)
* agenda+ Blog post on Content Module 1.0 CR Status (Lionel)
* agenda+ 3.6 edit (see git link) (Janina)
* agenda+ Editor's note for symbols (Janina action)
* agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022
* agenda+ Disambiguate between HTML <rel> and WAI-Adapt specified "purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel)
* agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status, focus on new candidates
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