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Re: Cognition Simulation

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:45:57 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827172043.009fdeb0@pop.erols.com>
To: Marja-Riitta Koivunen <marja@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>, WAI GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Marja,

         There is not doubt of the importance of text to those who can 
understand it, and no doubt of the worthlessness of text to those who 
cannot for whatever reason.

         But, there is also no doubt of the importance of illustrations 
either in the absence of text or in the absence of comprehension ....

         But I like how Chaals has taken your comments and made a new 
version of the graphic that doesn't include the international symbols.... 
See what you think of his new one (link in Chaals' post) !  It uses a 
business graphic as the illustration, plus he put the good and bad symbols 
over them to show which is which....  also, he reduced the size of the 
graphics so you can see them as a whole on smaller screens ... (and since 
it's in SVG it should be stretchable)

         Just as it has taken us years to articulate and craft the text of 
guidelines and checkpoints, so it will take some time, tries, errors, 
before the bingos .... to craft our illustrations.

         According to Chaals, the way I hooked up his graphic means you can 
see the new version in the "simulation" without my doing anything <grin> 
.... hey Chaals, this IS neat!

         The "plenty of interpretations" is why I used a multiple choice 
question, that you see before you view the illustrations, if you follow the 
steps of the simulation. I'm trying to simulate the incoming knowledge of 
the cognitively/learning disabled person, but perhaps did it badly. This 
simulation may not be a  "easy" to design as I thought .... <grin> ....

                                         Anne

At 09:45 AM 8/27/01 -0400, Marja-Riitta Koivunen wrote:
>I understand where you are trying to get to, but this also gives an 
>example of how important text is.
>
>If I wouldn't know the WCAG background and the possible interpretations 
>given to me in the list following the image, the image could mean several 
>things to me. For instance, it could be: use international symbols for 
>bathrooms to not confuse tourists. Or remember to keep women and men 
>separate.  Or the guy things: "Which way should I go?" and then finds the 
>answer: "Bodybuilders go to the left". And what if I come from culture 
>that writes from right to left. Am I going to read the image that way too. 
>So there are plenty of interpretations, and without the text or background 
>knowledge it is quite impossible to know which ones to select.
>
>Even if we take a cartoon, which is extreme as it has quite a lot of 
>images, but it also text bubbles. If the text is written in a language 
>that I don't know at all I can usually guess something based on the 
>images, but cannot be exactly sure of what is happening. If I know the 
>language a little, I can guess better. But the images alone seldom give me 
>the whole understanding, unless they are standardized and I have learned 
>the meaning.
>
>Although I don't agree on your test setting I still think that images are 
>important, for instance, in supporting the understanding of a text, 
>motivating e.g. getting readers interested, and highlighting the most 
>important things in the text.
>
>Marja
>
>At 04:47 PM 8/24/2001 -0400, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>>Folks,
>>
>>         The first rough and unpolished version of a Cognition Simulation 
>> is now available at: http://www.erols.com/stevepem/Guidelines/Cognition.html
>>
>>         Of course, y'all will recognize Chaals' illustration in it .... 
>> interesting .... it's isn't possible to right click on a *.png image and 
>> download it. I had to link it to Chaals' site ...
>>
>>         Come to think of it, I should link the sound file to it as 
>> further illustration to help make the point.
>>
>>         Anyone else have suggestions, comments, etc? I'm most curious if 
>> some of you think it does or doesn't do what it's intended to do - 
>> simulate what it's like to be faced with an incomprehensible page.
>>
>>                                         Anne
>>
>>Anne Pemberton
>>apembert@erols.com
>>
>>http://www.erols.com/stevepem
>>http://www.geocities.com/apembert45

Anne Pemberton
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