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Re: Guideline 1 examples

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:03:31 -0400 (EDT)
To: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
cc: "Charles F. Munat" <chas@munat.com>, WAI Guidelines WG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108181959430.23188-100000@tux.w3.org>
Well, the sports scores example was the basis of what as far as I know is the
only case to go all the way through a legal framework (Maguire v SOCOG in the
Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Tribunal in Australia, end result being
an award of $20 000 to Maguire as damages for inaccessibility of information
mostly consisting of sports results).

People with mouth sticks often do use a standard keyboard.

I think it is valuable providing familiar examples from everyday life, since
these are more familiar to many people than examples from the web. For a good
set of examples from the web there is the work done by the education and
outreach group on the document "how people with disabilities use the web"
which is some example scenarios...



On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Anne Pemberton wrote:


           I suggest you leave out the examples from real life, or limit them
  to the third only. Examples from the web: the second is good ... the third
  would be better if you used an example of a person who cannot use a mouse
  instead of one who merely hasn't one of the cheapest parts ..... Persons
  who use mouth sticks are of interest, but they don't use the keyboard....
  who are the folks who don't use a mouse? they should be mentioned ...
           Incidentally, what do the guidelines do that enables sport scores
  on a cell phone? Shouldn't the examples show things the guidelines allow on
  the web? If your intended audience is government and commerce sites, what
  do sports cores have to do with the guidelines?

           Example from the web: School children access pages that include
  the keyword that is their subject, and although they cannot read the text,
  they use the pictures on the site to illustrate their own class work.

           Can't think of more than one right now. Maybe more later.


  At 03:21 PM 8/18/01 -0700, Charles F. Munat wrote:
  >We adjust objects in our environment to meet our needs and use tools to help
  >us do things we cannot do on our own. Both in real life and on the Web, some
  >people rely on these adjustments to work, to contribute to society, and to
  >enjoy life. There are many familiar examples from everyday life. One person
  >uses a stepladder to reach an object on a high shelf. Another uses a
  >magnifying glass to read small print. A third uses captions to understand
  >what a television news announcer is saying.
  >Here are some examples from the World Wide Web:
  >* A person away from home might use a cell phone to check sports scores.
  >* A person who cannot see text might use a screen reader to read the text
  >* A person without a mouse might use a keyboard to navigate a web page.
  >These may not be the best examples, but I hope that I've captured the
  >essence of what I'm trying to say.
  >Chas. Munat
  >NOTE: I'd better explain what I mean by "people who have some sort of
  >Our primary audience should be the people responsible for big government and
  >commercial web sites as these are the sites that most need to be accessible.
  >The people who contribute to these sites will be programmers, management,
  >and content providers.
  >Yes, these guidelines will be read by many, including children. So they
  >should be comprehensible by children (as much as possible). But the TONE
  >should not be a tone that will offend adults. I find the tone of the
  >questions at the start of Guideline 1 to be condescending. Give me examples.
  >Don't ask me questions for which the answers are obvious. It insults my

  Anne Pemberton


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