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feedback on "some things to play with"

From: gregory j. rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:45:06 -0400
To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
the following comments refer to:

1. IE5.5SP1 could not render the page correctly either with support for
graphics turned on or off; not even disabling ActiveX could convince
IE5.5SP1 to render the OBJECTs; JAWS spoke the page's title (note1: the
document is currently "untitled") and whatever other content was rendered
outside of the 2 OBJECT declarations; JAWS reported that the page had no
links (note2: in posting test pages, i've discovered that you are more
likely to receive feedback about the test if you include a mailto: link
somewhere in the document -- in this document, i'd suggest making the phrase
"Comments on these are welcome" a mailto: hyperlink that points to
w3c-wai-gl@w3.org, and i'd also make the word "archives" a link to
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/>, so that commenters can
check the archives for feedback from other visitors to the test page) --
didn't have anyone available to tell me how it was visually rendered;

2. Opera 5.11 with graphics turned off: the alternative content contained
within the OBJECT tags were rendered by Opera and were available for
screen-scraping; one strange phenomenon i noted was  that the link to the
sound file was only available via opera when the page first loaded -- if the
document was reloaded (F5) or if one toggled between "graphics on" and
"graphics off" (using the "g" key) to ascertain if support for graphics had
any effect on the rendering of the link to the sound file, the link to the
sound file disappeared -- this could be due to a caching problem with opera
(at least as regards OBJECT) and don't have anyone here to tell me what was
visually rendered in place of the link to the audio file

3. using Lynx32 (version: version 2.8.4dev.14) the page rendered
beautifully...  just for kicks, i issued lynx's "show images as links",
which caused a link with the hyperlink text "OBJECT" to be rendered
immediately preceding the alternative content contained within the OBJECT...
adding a "title" to the OBJECT didn't change the rendering of the
placeholder (i.e. the hyperlink text still said "OBJECT") and adding a
"name" to the OBJECT suppressed the rendering of the OBJECT, which, i
suppose, is "acceptable" behavior, as the "name" attribute for OBJECT is
specifically designated (according to the HTML4 technical recommendation)
for "form submission"; i also added a 2 nested OBJECTs to your test file
(one which points to a dummy GIF, the other to a dummy bitmap) -- when set
to "display images as links" (toggled on/off with the shift+8 command), lynx
generated a link for each of the nested OBJECTs immediately preceding the
textual "conditional content"

System Specs:
	OS: Windows2000 Professional (SP2)
	AT: JAWS for Windows, version
		synthesizer: Eloquence for Windows, running on
		a Santa Cruz Turtle Beach sound card
UA information:
	MSIE: 5.50.4522.1800 (update versions:
	Opera: version 5.11 (build 904)
	Lynx32: version 2.8.4dev.14
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