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RE: feedback on "some things to play with"

From: Steven Livingstone <stv_es@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:53:14 -0700
To: "'gregory j. rosmaita'" <oedipus@hicom.net>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <charles@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <005b01c11b8c$c46ec650$0157a8c0@dev.citix.com>
I just tried this - running IE 6 Beta. It seemed to work fine. Except
the media format isn't supported, which is probably just coz I haven't
installed the codecs.

Seemed to render OK. One this about the IE5 this is the XML PI at the
top of the page. Is this maybe what's throwing it? I don't have Ie5.5
now, so could someone try removing this line and trying :)

Thanks,
steven


Steven Livingstone,
Author Pro XML 2e and others.
http://www.deltabis.com


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of gregory j. rosmaita
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Charles McCathieNevile; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: feedback on "some things to play with"

the following comments refer to:
http://www.w3.org/2001/08/mmcmn/

1. IE5.5SP1 could not render the page correctly either with support for
graphics turned on or off; not even disabling ActiveX could convince
IE5.5SP1 to render the OBJECTs; JAWS spoke the page's title (note1: the
document is currently "untitled") and whatever other content was
rendered
outside of the 2 OBJECT declarations; JAWS reported that the page had no
links (note2: in posting test pages, i've discovered that you are more
likely to receive feedback about the test if you include a mailto: link
somewhere in the document -- in this document, i'd suggest making the
phrase
"Comments on these are welcome" a mailto: hyperlink that points to
w3c-wai-gl@w3.org, and i'd also make the word "archives" a link to
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/>, so that commenters
can
check the archives for feedback from other visitors to the test page) --
didn't have anyone available to tell me how it was visually rendered;

2. Opera 5.11 with graphics turned off: the alternative content
contained
within the OBJECT tags were rendered by Opera and were available for
screen-scraping; one strange phenomenon i noted was  that the link to
the
sound file was only available via opera when the page first loaded -- if
the
document was reloaded (F5) or if one toggled between "graphics on" and
"graphics off" (using the "g" key) to ascertain if support for graphics
had
any effect on the rendering of the link to the sound file, the link to
the
sound file disappeared -- this could be due to a caching problem with
opera
(at least as regards OBJECT) and don't have anyone here to tell me what
was
visually rendered in place of the link to the audio file

3. using Lynx32 (version: version 2.8.4dev.14) the page rendered
beautifully...  just for kicks, i issued lynx's "show images as links",
which caused a link with the hyperlink text "OBJECT" to be rendered
immediately preceding the alternative content contained within the
OBJECT...
adding a "title" to the OBJECT didn't change the rendering of the
placeholder (i.e. the hyperlink text still said "OBJECT") and adding a
"name" to the OBJECT suppressed the rendering of the OBJECT, which, i
suppose, is "acceptable" behavior, as the "name" attribute for OBJECT is
specifically designated (according to the HTML4 technical
recommendation)
for "form submission"; i also added a 2 nested OBJECTs to your test file
(one which points to a dummy GIF, the other to a dummy bitmap) -- when
set
to "display images as links" (toggled on/off with the shift+8 command),
lynx
generated a link for each of the nested OBJECTs immediately preceding
the
textual "conditional content"

System Specs:
	OS: Windows2000 Professional (SP2)
	AT: JAWS for Windows, version 3.71.36.0
		synthesizer: Eloquence for Windows, running on
		a Santa Cruz Turtle Beach sound card
UA information:
	MSIE: 5.50.4522.1800 (update versions:
	      ;SP1;q261255;Q279328;Q286045;Q286043;Q299618;
	Opera: version 5.11 (build 904)
	Lynx32: version 2.8.4dev.14
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