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RE: RE Checkpoint 3.4 again

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:23:07 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010730061908.009f8ec0@pop.erols.com>
To: <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'GLWAI Guidelines WG \(GL - WAI Guidelines WG\)'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Greg,

         I honestly could not think of any text content which doesn't need 
to be included? Can you think of some?

I'm thinking of an index or table of contents. Do these need to be 
illustrated? If every entry in an  index is illustrated, the index page is 
going to get unnecessarily heavy ... If we leave these areas exluded, will 
the learning disabled be able to use those pages as efficiently as other 
users?

         What text would you like to see excluded and not required to be 
accessible to everyone?

                                                 Anne

At 12:48 AM 7/30/01 -0500, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:

>Sorry Anne,
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>Not sure I understand.
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>Are you saying that all text that is not a link needs to be represented in 
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>And is that for all pages on all sites or just some pages or sites?
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>(I know there area some sites that are set up for people of all cognitive 
>levels. But are you saying all pages should have all text info in non-text 
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>Thanks
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>Gregg
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On 
>Behalf Of Anne Pemberton
>Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 4:13 PM
>To: gv@trace.wisc.edu; GLWAI Guidelines WG (GL - WAI Guidelines WG)
>Subject: Re: RE Checkpoint 3.4 again
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>Greg,
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>         I'd suggest that text which is content is the text that needs 
> equivalents. Text that is a link already has an equivalent at the end of 
> the click ... text that is in a database or table may or may not need an 
> equivalent, depending on whether it's content, or just an index ..... 
> Text is a glossary, dictionary, or encyclopedia should have at least one 
> equivalent ...
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>         Did you look at the Nasa site that Katie shared this morning? 
> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23jul_1.htm?list438943 It is 
> an example of a government site that tried to make their information to 
> accessible at various levels, but didn't think it through. The 3/4 grade 
> version is written so that some teachers in Kindergarten, First and 
> Second grade may be able to use the material with their classes. Now if 
> they click to the site, and click on 3-4 version, they get all text. The 
> teacher is reading the text to the class from the screen. She has to jump 
> back to the basic version to show the illustrations at the appropriate 
> time. If she skips clicking back, or something doesn't work, the kids 
> will be fidgeting while she reads and there's nothing to look at on the 
> screen...  So, we will probably skip that site, since it's not designed 
> for use across all levels. The poor 3/4 graders deserve pictures on their 
> version just like they are on the high school/college version, or better ....
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>                                                 Anne
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>At 11:30 AM 7/29/01 -0500, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
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>Hi Anne,
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>You wrote
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>"       Joe, all elements on a page need an equivalent, not just the
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>non-text elements. Text is an element and it needs an equivalent, like all
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>the other elements. 3.4 is the only place this is addressed, and it doesn't
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>do the deed. "
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>" > No matter the arguments presented, text is an element on a page, no
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> > more, and no less. It needs an equivalent. [...]"
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>Are you saying that you think:
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>1) all text on a page needs a non-text equiv?
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>2) just some text on a page needs a non-text equiv?
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>Gregg
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>-- ------------------------------
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>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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>Professor - Human Factors
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>Dept of Ind. Engr. - U of Wis.
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>Director - Trace R & D Center
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>Gv@trace.wisc.edu <mailto:Gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <http://trace.wisc.edu/>
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>Anne Pemberton
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