- From: Dare Obasanjo <dareo@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:01:46 -0700
- To: "Aung Aung" <aaung@microsoft.com>, "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
- Cc: <xmlschema-dev@w3.org>, <www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org>
It depends on what you mean by renaming of xs:anyType because an empty restriction of that type actually should empty the content model not rename the type. PS: I dislike the term empty restriction. Someone help me out with a better one. :) -- PITHY WORDS OF WISDOM Some of us can remember anything, whether it happened or not. This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. You assume all risk for your use. (c) 2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. > -----Original Message----- > From: Aung Aung [mailto:aaung@microsoft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:37 AM > To: Henry S. Thompson > Cc: xmlschema-dev@w3.org; www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org > Subject: RE: Schema for schemas bugs? > > > > Thanks Henry. We are now all waiting for the Errata. The > following 2 issues is for clarification and commonality, > please comment for any error. > > First thing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You have memtioned that renaming of anySimpleType or anyType > is. Will there be an errata for this? Below is a mail from > you from 11/01. > > >> 1. > >> <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" > > >> <xs:simpleType name="ct1"> > >> <xs:restriction base="xs:anyType" /> > >> </xs:simpleType> > >> </xs:schema> > > >Yes, invalid. > > >> 2. > >> <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" > > >> <xs:simpleType name="ct2"> > >> <xs:restriction base="xs:anySimpleType" /> > >> </xs:simpleType> > >> </xs:schema> > > >Yes, invalid. > > >> 3. > >> <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" > > >> <xs:complexType name="ct4"> > >> <xs:simpleContent> > >> <xs:restriction base="xs:anySimpleType" /> > >> </xs:simpleContent> > >> </xs:complexType> > >> </xs:schema> > > >Yes, invalid. > > >But you raise an interesting point -- the above don't > actually attempt > >a restriction, just a private renaming. There's no reason > we shouldn't > >allow this. The third case in particular, if it contained > attributes, > is >something people might reasonably wish to do. > > >I'll raise a potential erratum on this. > >Ht > > In short, I think we will need the following 2 points in errata. > (1) allow renaming of anyType or AST > (2) Restriction with facets on anySimpleType is not allowed unless the > restriction is build-in dataTypes (to satisfy SfS). > > > > Scond thing:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I agree that 'xmlns:xml="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace"' is > interpreted differently as allowed by some implementors and not the > others due to the vagueness of the spec, but it is explicit that this > declaration is not required. Therefore the common denominator > is to NOT > specify it. In a standard spec like XSD, I think we should not specify > it to satisfy all parties. > > Thanks, > -Aung > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry S. Thompson [mailto:ht@cogsci.ed.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:28 AM > To: Aung Aung > Cc: xmlschema-dev@w3.org; www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org > Subject: Re: Schema for schemas bugs? > > "Aung Aung" <aaung@microsoft.com> writes: > > > The issues with the xsd4xsd in MSXML are, > > > > > > > > 1. There were some confusion in the beginning about the usage of > > anySimpleType. After some clarification, we allow anySimpleType as a > > type name. However, the spec also said "simple *ur-type definition* > > <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-1/#key-urType#key-urType> > must not be > > named as the *base type definition* > > > <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-1/#st-base_type_definition#st- > base_type_ > > definition> of any user-defined simple types: as it has no > constraining > > facets, this would be incoherent." So, how are all the > primitive data > > types have restriction facets on anySimpleType. Spes does > not say how > it > > allows it. Do we have to special-case all primitive dataType as > > restrict-able from anySimpleType exclusive to for parsing > xsd4xsd (for > > such confusing issue, spec should implicit about how to > approach it.)? > > Sorry for the confusion -- you're right that the inclusion in the > sForS of the 'information only' definitions of the builtin primitive > datatypes is problematic. I would note in our defense that the quote > above says you can't have anySimpleType as the {base type def} of and > _user-defined_ types, but I agree that taken as a user schema doc., > the published sForS violates this constraint. > > The _reason_ these defns are there is so that for _all_ builtin types > there is a well-grounded URL of the form > > http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema.xsd#typename > > but with hindsight we perhaps should have buried all these defns > inside <xs:documentation>. > > > 3. Explicit declaration such as > > xmlns:xml=http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace is now allowed by the > > namespace spec. It is explicitly stated in the xml spec > that xml:lang > > (http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xml-20001006#sec-lang-tag) > is a special > > attribute to allow language specification in XML, it need not > xmlns:xml > > declaration. > > > > [2] > > > > PrefixedAttName > > > > ::= > > > > 'xmlns:' NCName > > > <http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-xml-names-19990114/#NT-NCName#N > T-NCName> > > > > [ > > > > NSC: Leading "XML" > > > <http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-xml-names-19990114/#xmlReserved #xmlReserv > ed> ] > > Namespace Constraint: Leading "XML" > Prefixes beginning with the three-letter sequence x, m, l, in any case > combination, are reserved for use by XML and XML-related specifications. Microsoft has consistently maintained that this prose allows parsers to raise an error when confronted by the correct declaration 'xmlns:xml="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace"'. Most of the rest of the implementor community have read it as allowing _only_ this declaration for that prefix, while not requiring it. I believe there will soon be an erratum clarifying this. > 4. should remove the trailing space in version [version="Id: > XMLSchema.xsd,v 1.48 2001/04/24 18:56:39 ht Exp "]. Because it is typed > as toke, which cannot have trailing space. It's not a token at all -- this is just a bug and will be fixed. > 5. Some group reference that already mentioned in other threads. Indeed. ht -- Henry S. Thompson, HCRC Language Technology Group, University of Edinburgh W3C Fellow 1999--2002, part-time member of W3C Team 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@cogsci.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail really from me _always_ has this .sig -- mail without it is forged spam]
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