- From: David Hull <dmh@tibco.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:53:05 -0500
- To: "xml-dist-app@w3.org" <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
- Message-id: <43CDE5D1.4090500@tibco.com>
In a recent message [1] on the WSA list, I argued (against myself :-) that the "anonymous" address may not always imply a request-response MEP. Since this was based in part on SOAP/XMPP, I wanted to carry that point back over to this list, pose a few specific questions and follow on with a few more points: Do we have a definite consensus that the request-response MEP implies more than just correlation of request and response messages? In particular, do we agree that a request-response MEP terminates with either a response or a failure (implying some reasonable notion of a timeout), while merely sending a message with a return address and request id does not guarantee either a response or a failure? In reference to SOAP/XMPP in particular, is the <message/> binding really a proper binding of request-response? It would appear to me that the receiver could successfully receive the request message and then do nothing further. One could build a timeout mechanism on top of this, but I don't believe one is (or should be) given in the binding supplied. What I'm driving at here is that "guaranteed response or failure" and "return address" are separate features of underlying protocols. Guaranteed response/failure implies a return address, but not vice versa. HTTP and <iq/> provide both. Email and <message/> provide return addressing but not guaranteed response/failure. UDP and at least some flavors of pub/sub provide neither. To me, this implies that SOAP/HTTP and SOAP/<iq/> should define the request-response MEP (as they do), but SOAP/<message/>, SOAP/Email, SOAP/UDP etc. should not. Note that this is different from the issue of whether you can do F&F over HTTP, whether using the request-response MEP or not. It also may help sharpen the boundary between the roles of WSA and XMLP in dealing with the various MEPs. WSA seems more clearly concerned with, well, addressing, while semantics such as guarantee of response/failure (or lack thereof) are more to do with XMLP. Finally, it's worth reiterating that addressing of responses and correlation of responses with requests are separate things: * HTTP uses the bidirectional TCP connection for return addressing and in-order delivery of responses to correlate requests with responses. In WSA-speak, it needs neither response endpoints nor [message id] to work (which is why we've gotten by without them :-) * BEEP (as I understand it, not yet having looked at SOAP/BEEP) uses the bidirectional TCP channel for return addressing, but must use an explicit [message id] for correlation, either at the BEEP level or via WSA. * It's at least logically possible to provide a usable message id at the protocol level but without return addressing. * Raw UDP provides neither. [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Jan/0045.html
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