- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:30:47 -0500
- To: Jacek Kopecky <jacek.kopecky@systinet.com>
- Cc: Jean-Jacques Moreau <jean-jacques.moreau@crf.canon.fr>, XMLP Dist App <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
I still think it would be useful to give some guidance on what the
reinsertion rules are if you don't use the new role. I read the original
proposed text as saying "reinsert if processed regardless of role" which
(a) isn't what I remembered us deciding and (b) seems to make the
introduction of the new role at best redundant. I think I would consider
one of the following two rules for re-insertion after processing if the
role is not "sticky": Either:
I. Except in the specific case of role="sticky", this specification does
not mandate whether or a node processing a Representation header should or
should not reinsert a similar header targeted at the same role. Other
specifications, such as the specifications for additional headers, MAY be
used in conjunction with specification to mandate either the reinsertion
or reliable removal of processed representation header. Accordingly,
absent the use of such additional features, applications should not depend
on the presence of such reinserted representation headers.
-or-
II. Except when role="sticky", processing of a Representation header MUST
NOT cause (I.e. does not implicitly cause) reinsertion of a similar
Representation header targeted to the same role. Note, however, that the
action of other processed SOAP features MAY cause similar or identical
Representation headers to be (re)inserted.
I think I can live with either of these, probably slight preference for I.
except that it might be viewed as too subtle and thus confusing. I think
the behavior is similar in practice. In other respects, I think I agree
with Jacek's formulation. Thank you.
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Jacek Kopecky <jacek.kopecky@systinet.com>
03/22/2004 11:17 AM
To: Jean-Jacques Moreau <jean-jacques.moreau@crf.canon.fr>
cc: Noah Mendelsohn <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>, XMLP Dist App
<xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Issue 455 closed: Representation header and SOAP processing model
Oh, I think your closing email [1] is a bit wrong and a bit confusing:
it says the five numbered points are characteristics of the new role,
where only the second is, in fact. The first point isn't true (IIRC),
the use of the new role is totally up to the application; a
Representation header can be targeted at any other role and the usual
rules apply, including the points 3a, 3b and 4 in the closing email.
I think the closing email should be rephrased to something like:
At its recent f2f, the XMLP WG decided to close this issue with
the following actions:
1. define a new role (name to be decided) that causes all
Representation header blocks targeted to it always to be
reinserted, even if processed.
2. Note that it's OK for multiple Representation header blocks
in the same message to have the same URI and role. Such
Representation header blocks would typically have different
metadata.
3. Note that implementations MAY need to process Representation
header blocks BEFORE other header blocks that might dereference
URIs.
Best regards,
Jacek Kopecky
Systinet Corporation
http://www.systinet.com/
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Mar/0024.html
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 16:56, Jean-Jacques Moreau wrote:
> Yes it does! The (agreed) resolution says: "Define a new role as above
> [plus other stuff]".
>
> "Above" says: "Proposal (again): Define a new role. Characteristics of
> this role are; 1. if you process a Rep header targetted at this role,
> you MUST resinsert it."
>
> If point 1. was not to be taken into consideration, why would the agreed
> resolution say "as above"? My reading is that the scribe figured out it
> could save some typing, instead of reinserting (again) the whole
> proposal once more.
>
> You seem to be thinking otherwise.
>
> JJ.
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