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Re: Minutes, 10 June 2004 WS Desc telcon

From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:42:03 +0200
To: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
Message-ID: <20040611124203.GN4757@w3.org>
* Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com> [2004-06-10 12:40-0700]
> 7.  Issue 207: How to mark which elements to optimize [.1]
>   - See thread starting at [.2]
>   - Related issue on F&P? [.3]
> [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x207
> [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0020.html
> [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0042.html
> Straw Poll #2: Do we want to use expected media type (or 
>           something like it) to control what gets optimized?
> Discussion on Straw Poll #2...
> Confusion on why media type would help with optimization and what WSDL
> would say about it.
> [Pauld:   Asir, so if there was an indication that 
>           insignificant whitespace was important (e.g. DSig 
>           was in play), then that could be used a hint for 
>           the whole message?]
> Umit:     Suggestion to use MAY be optimized based on media type
> More discussion about how the media type would be used ....
> [Asir:    Pauld, possible .. not sure tho]
> Umit:     We don't say anything about media types and optimization
>           and we should at the minimum say that this info 
>           MAY/SHOULD be used to optimize.
> Mark:     Media types were not written for optimization.
> PaulD:    Doesn't see how the media types help you.
> Marsh:    Media type can be used in constructing better programming 
>           models - which is orthogonal to optimization.

I'd like to have it recorded that around this point in the
conversation, I expressed the following (trying to restate what I

  Hugo:    Using media types to give a hint about what would be a good
	   set of elements to be optimized is one of the many things
	   one may want to express as optimization hints, an example
	   of another one being a preference based on the size of the
	   objects serialized. Just using media types is an arbitrary
	   restriction, and the description of this set of preferences
	   is orthogonal to basic MTOM support and unneeded for us.

> [Pauld:   Media type doesn't help you know if you can optimise 
>           a non-canonical base64string and discard whitespace.]
> Asir:     Reminds us about Noah Mendelsons email suggestions.
> [Pauld:   Noah's subtype proposal:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0055.html]
> JMarsh:   Let's vote! 
> Straw Poll #2: Do we want to use expectedMediaType for controlling what
> gets optimized?
> [dbooth:  Straw poll: Do we want to say anything about whether expected
> media type MAY, SHOULD or MUST be used to control what gets optimized?]
> Result: 11 Yes, 7 No, 4 abstain



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