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Re: 2004-02-12 Action Item: Clarification to the OperationName feature

From: Glen Daniels <gdaniels@sonicsoftware.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:24:15 -0500
Message-ID: <00a201c3f971$13c7d5b0$7b00a8c0@AURORA>
To: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Cc: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>

Hi folks:

(sorry about replying up here instead of inline, but I can't seem to get
Outlook Express to prefix quoted text with ">" in some cases (when Outlook
was used to send the original message, it seems) even though I have all the
right switches set - grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!  If you have a clue how to do this,
let me know!)

Having the operation name available somehow, no matter how, on the receiving
end is precisely what we are trying to define with this feature.  It does
not need to be in the message content per se, and might also be available
via the URL, the action parameter, etc.  The only trick is that something
has to know how it is being done, and that must be somehow expressed in the

Making it a required feature, modulo precise wording tweaks, should have the
same effect as if a <feature
uri="http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl20/features/operationName" required="true"/>
were always present in the WSDL.  Umit suggests this should be in the
<binding>, but I think it makes more sense to think of it in the
<interface>.  Really doesn't matter though as long as it's always assumed to
be there.

I don't think that you can "widen" a required feature to optional, so having
the required="false" as you suggest below wouldn't have any effect.

If you specify your "stick-operation-name-in-a-header" module without noting
that it implements the operationName feature, then you haven't satisfied the
operationName feature.

I'm not sure what the "obvious semantics" are in your "override" example,
actually. :)  Could you expand on that a little?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
To: "Umit Yalcinalp" <umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com>; "WS Description List"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2    004 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: 2004-02-12 Action Item: Clarification to the OperationName

I'm not sure whether having the Operation Name in the message is always
necessary, but putting that aside - what are the implications of a "required
feature"?  Is the WSDL somehow invalid if it specifies:

  <feature uri="http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl20/features/operationName"


Suppose my binding for an operation named for instance "Fred" has an

  <my:stick-operation-name-in-a-header wsdl:required="true"/>

with the obvious semantics, but whose specification doesn't tie this
behavior in with the OpName feature URI.  How will you know whether the
feature as been implemented?

What if I introduce an extension

  <my:override-operation-name-feature wsdl:required="true"/>

With the obvious semantics.  Is this type of extension disallowed?

"Required feature" is a new idea and I'd like to see more details of what
you expect to happen.

From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Umit Yalcinalp
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 3:28 PM
To: WS Description List
Subject: 2004-02-12 Action Item: Clarification to the OperationName feature


I was given an action item [1] to clarify the usage of OperationName feature
[2], to clarify what is required and what must be specified in WSDL.

Addendum to the Proposal:

OperationName feature is a required feature for all WSDL descriptions. It is
not specific to a binding since all bindings must implement this feature.
Therefore, the feature is not required to be declared as shown below as it
is assumed to be present in all descriptions:

<feature uri="http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl20/features/operationName"

Note: This syntax may change per compositor syntax proposal [3].

There may be multiple ways to implement this feature. The proposal specifies
a distinct method for implementing this feature by using a soap module for
SOAP bindings. When the soap module specified by [2] is used as the
implementation method, its use must be declared in WSDL as follows:

<wsoap:module uri="http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl20/OperationDispatchModule"

Note: The original proposal did not specify a URI for the SOAP module that
has been specified here.

The SOAP Action feature may also be engaged in the binding in addition to
the OperationName feature as shown below:

<feature uri="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/features/action/"/>

In this case, the OperationName feature also specifies the value of the SOAP
Action property as discussed in [2].


[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0076.html
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0082.html
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0153.html

Umit Yalcinalp
Consulting Member of Technical Staff
Phone: +1 650 607 6154
Email: umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com
Received on Sunday, 22 February 2004 13:24:06 UTC

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