RE: proposed AC018 rewording

Joe,
 
If it is only the administration aspects, such as defining attributes,
certs, etc.
then there is some merit in the argument for putting this in management. 
But, I am wary of scope creep in management too.
 
Cheers,

-Suresh 
Sterling Commerce   

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From: Joseph Hui [mailto:Joseph.Hui@exodus.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:11 PM
To: Damodaran, Suresh
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Subject: RE: proposed AC018 rewording


Suresh,
 
The spirit of 6.13, reflecting the current thinking,
is to call out the administrative aspect of security.
In its general sense, it's open to "reasonable" interpretation
within the premise of how ws ser should be managed (or administered).
 
Not unlike other requirements in other goals, the
devil is in the details, and they will be fleshed out
in the WS Sec WG sessions.
 
At the moment, I'd say security auditing will not be
part of it, because there's a separate req for auditing.
 
Cheers,
Joe Hui
Exodus, a Cable & Wireless service 

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Subject: RE: proposed AC018 rewording


Joe,
 
What is meant by "security management in 6.13?" 
 
I can interpret it in several different ways: broadly security
administration, enforcement, and/or monitoring.
More specifically, 
 
 a) the definition of security attributes such as "signatureRequired"
 b) the composition of security attributes for specific web services and
their interactions
 c) trust management (private key storage, secret key storage, certificate
validation including CRLs)
 d) security auditing (monitoring)
 e) other security administration
...
 
What is the current thinking on what is meant by security management?
 
cheers,

-Suresh 
Sterling Commerce   

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Subject: RE: proposed AC018 rewording


I would think it should stay with the sec goal and let WS Management set
a reference pointer to it.  It made much sense to me in light that there
would
be a new WS Sec WG to be formed, or very likely to be formed considering
the pushback against the group's immediate formation.  
So the F2F upshot was inconclusive.
 
I'd suggest those who were in favor of relocating to air their view now
and move to change the doc; else the WG should conclude to let it stay
within the sec goal by default.
 
Joe Hui
Exodus, a Cable & Wireless service

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Subject: RE: proposed AC018 rewording



Joe, 
I really think that the security management requirement should stay with the
security goal. 
I thought that was the net of the F2F, but it was hard for me to know for
sure.

Heather Kreger
Web Services Lead Architect
STSM, SWG Emerging Technology
kreger@us.ibm.com
919-543-3211 (t/l 441) cell:919-496-9572



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Subject: RE: proposed AC018 rewording




Hi Heather & Zulah,
 
Nice work!
 
I've got a heads-up for you that the following may be headed your way.
 
As you may recall, during the Paris F2F, there was the mention that we might
want to relocate under AR018 the admin/management related security
requirement, i.e. 
 
   D-AR006.13 Where a web service provides security features
   in line with AR006, it SHOULD provide the ability to manage
   that security in a meaningful way.

So, to the working group and the public, I'd like to suggest we start
deliberating between:
   1) keep the issues of administering/managing WS security in the Security
section; or
 
   2) incorporate them into the WS Management section, as D-AR018.x. 
 
Cheers,
 
Joe Hui
Exodus, a Cable & Wireless service
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Subject: proposed AC018 rewording


 
Hi All,
 
 Here is a proposed rewording of AC018 from Heather and Zulah.
 
Comments?
Zulah
 
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AC018 Enables the management of web services 

AC018.1 Ensures that implementations of  the Web Services Architecture are
manageable.
AR018.1.1  Define a base set of standard metrics for architectural
components and their  interactions accompanied by guidelines for
measurement.
AR018.1.2  Define a base set of standard management operations for Web
Services  Architecture implementations. Management operations includes, but
is not  limited to, support for configuration control and lifecycle
control.
AR018.1.3 Define a base set of management events to be  issued by the Web
Services Architecture implementation. 
AR018.1.4  Define a standard methodology for accessing management
capabilities from the  Web Services Architecture implementation. 

AC018.2 Ensures  that implementations of the Web Service instances are
manageable.
AR018.2.1 Define how a web service should expose web  service specific
metrics, configuration, operations, and  events.
AR018.2.2 Support the discovery of web service management  capabilities.
AR018.2.3 Define a standard methodology for  accessing management
capabilities of a Web Service through the Web Services  Architecture
implementation.

AC018.3 Ensure that at least the  following types of management applications
are supported: Performance  Monitoring, Availability, Configuration,
Control, and Service Level  Agreements.