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RE: REST, Conversations and Reliability

From: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:05:59 -0700
To: "'Ugo Corda'" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>, <edwink@collaxa.com>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <018001c23e3d$16417170$140ba8c0@beasys.com>

The point of the proprietary systems is that the wire formats are binary,
generally not publicly available, and not agreed upon.  If we agree upon
XML, SOAP, SOAP extensions, then the formats are xml, publicly available and
agreed upon.  Then we can have interop across different systems and

There is some big wriggle room in that soap 1.2 is infoset based, which
leaves the wire format potentially underspecified.  Perhaps something for
wsa to look at.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Ugo Corda
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: 'edwink@collaxa.com'; www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: RE: REST, Conversations and Reliability
> >New technologies and standards
> >like XML, XML Schema, HTTP, URI could take existing messaging
> >infrastructure that are priorietary and difficult to deploy
> and manage
> >across domains and make then ubiquitous.
> I would like that very much to happen myself, but I am not
> convinced that it
> will, based on the current direction of things.
> The way people have been talking so far about messaging
> infrastructure being
> combined with Web Services is at the level of running SOAP on top of
> existing MOM systems like MQSeries, MSMQ, etc. But these are
> all proprietary
> systems (and using JMS as a common API does not change that).
> In particular,
> when one of these systems is chosen, both communication
> points must support
> the same system.
> I personally don't see how wrapping these messaging systems
> in XML and SOAP
> can turn them into something non proprietary and easy to
> deploy and manage.
> Maybe you had something else in mind, which I would like to hear.
> Thank you,
> Ugo
Received on Wednesday, 7 August 2002 14:07:41 UTC

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