RE: ADMIN: Minutes Dec 5th

All,

Apologies for being so out of it for the past three weeks.  <violins>I was 
quite sick and travelling at the same time and it was simply 
miserable.</violins>  Donations will be accepted.

I did agree to clarify the discussion in Guide of what an "ontology" is in 
OWL - that the syntactic notion of an ontology and the more methodological 
notion are different - but as Mike points out I never agreed to say 
anything about imports.   That this clarification was needed arose from a 
discussion of imports, and it was part of the growing consensus at the 
time (3 weeks ago) on the imports issue.

I hope to have something on this by the end of the day.

-Chris


Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group
IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr.
Hawthorne, NY  10532     USA 
Voice: +1 914.784.7055,  IBM T/L: 863.7055
Fax: +1 914.784.6078, Email: welty@us.ibm.com




"Smith, Michael K" <michael.smith@eds.com>
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12/12/2002 10:37 AM
 
        To:     Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, www-webont-wg@w3.org
        cc: 
        Subject:        RE: ADMIN: Minutes Dec 5th



> ACTION Mike Smith to coordinate with Chris about write up of owl:imports
issue

I thought action item had to do with explaining owl:ontology?  Which seems
to be
what the IRC log shows.

- Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Carroll [mailto:jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:48 PM
To: www-webont-wg@w3.org
Subject: ADMIN: Minutes Dec 5th




Sorry these are so late.

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Executive Summary
-----------------

DECISION:
Issue 5.14 - Ontology versioning
RESOLVED: Jeff's mssg dec/0001, with proviso that all properties are 
labelled as extralogical
Vote: 7 for, 7 abstain.

CHAIR comment:
Open to reopening this issue with alternative proposal.

NEW ACTIONS:
ACTION Mike Smith to coordinate with Chris about write up of owl:imports
issue
ACTION jjc draft a message for wg consideration as msg to tag about item 4 

in Nov/0265

--------


1) ADMIN (15 min)


1.1 Role Call

Guus Schrieber, Mike Smith, Ian Horrocks,
Jeff Heflin, Jos De Roo, Herman ter Horst,
Jim Hendler, Marwan Sabbouh, Deb Mcguinness,
Mike Dean, Pat Hayes,
Jeremy Carroll, Peter Patel-Schneider
Jonathan Borden, Nick Gibbons

regrets Dale, Wallace, Stanton, Stein
regrets COnnolly
regrets Eshelman, Hori, Euzenat
Regrets: Hellman, van Harmelen,

1.2 Approval of Minutes of Nov 21 call

http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc

Approved.

1.3 Agenda Amendments

None


1.4   Telecon Schedule

Next telecons: December 12, 19


1.5  F2F Meeting Manchester

Registration page:
http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=WebontManchester

Local arrangements page:
http://wonderweb.semanticweb.org/mcr-f2f.shtml

Please register, and book in the hotel.
Block booking is reserved until 6th Jan
Primary goal of f2f5 is to work on implementation report.

Last date for input to MCr f2f is 24th December.


1.6 Reminder: Web Ontology Working Group Extension

IMPORTANT - all WOWG members are required to "reup" - make sure your
AC member signs you back up.

1.7 Webont schedule

FTI: Current schedule:
- LC to start directly after Man ftf (around Jan 15)
- LC period 3-6 weeks
- Man ftf and LC period to ne used by WG to gather implementation
   experiences
- odds are low that a WebOnt ftf is required in March at Tech Plenary


2. ISSUES (60 min)

Link to issues list:
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html


2.1  Pending updates:

ISSUE 4.3: POSTPONED at Nov 21 telecon
ISSUE 5.5; Resolved at Nov 14 telecon
ISSUE 5.6: resolved at Nov 14 telecon
ISSUE 5.7: should be marked as "POSTPONED"
ISSUE 5.19: resolved at Nov 21 telecon (wrong date / resolution link)
ISSUE 15.25 resolved ar Nov 21 telecon


2.2 ACTIONS wrt. resolved issues

ACTION Chris Welty will work on getting "The meaning of
owl:ontology" explained better in Guide, other editors will see
if their documents need changing (not obvious they do).

ACTION Jeremy to generate test Cases for 5.5. List Syntax or Semantics

ACTION Jeff Heflin will produce test cases for owl:imports
See also message from Jeremy Carroll:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0228.html

ACTION DanC to provide wording
[Concerns Issue 5.9 - malformed D+O restrictions (closed)
Dan would like to amend the proposal with some clear instructions to the
guide that says "Don't do that".  Dan was actioned to write up a few
sentences for the guide.]

ACTION: Deb/Change feature doc in accorddance with 5.19 resolution
(using MikeS's text)
ACTION: MikeDean/update reference appropraitely for three
sublanguages
ACTION: Deb/Change features for three sublanguages

All continued.
NEW ACTION: Mike Smith to coordinate with Chris about write up
of owl:imports issue

3.2 OPEN issues

[We have six open issues left]


** Issue 5.14 - Ontology versioning

[[
ACTION: Jeff to rewrite issue for Dec 5 telecon
Done.

Jeff's revised proposal to close:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Dec/0001.html
plus follo-up discussion thread
]]

Discussion about whether they should be in the owl namespace
or in some other namespace.

Discussion of operational versus formal semantics.

Discussion of versionOf
(see
http://www.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Dec/0002.html
)

There was little support for "versionOf", and the idea did
not go to the proposed resolution.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Dec/0001.html
RESOLVED: Jeff's mssg dec/0001, with proviso that all properties are 
labelled as extralogical
Vote: 7 for, 7 abstain.
ABSTAIN: Carroll, Hayes, Horrocks, Patel-Schneider, McGuiness, De Roo,
Sabbouh

[There was discussion about the high level of abstention.
Some of the abstainers expressed the view that
any other resolution would produce dissent].

CHAIR Open to reopening this issue with alternative proposal.


** Issue 5.8 - datatypes

[[
See Jeremy's summary of RDF datatyping:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0223.html

ACTION: JimH to signal discussion of RDF Datatypes and Cardinality

Peter's proposal
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0265.html

Comment from Jeremy:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0278.html
]]

Difficulties with part 4 of Peter's proposal.
Jim proposed approving 1,2, 3 and 5.
Jeremy noted that on 3 there are problems with xsd:duration.

NEW ACTION jjc draft a message for wg consideration as msg to tag about 
item 4 in Nov/0265

** Issue 5.13 - Internet media type for OWL

ACTION: chairs, to ask Jonathan Borden re: wording to close 5.13

The mime type includes parameter to indicate entailment mechanism.
Discussion curtailed.

** Issue 5.17 - XML presentation syntax
[[
Peter's proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Oct/0155.html

Comments from Masahiro:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0290.html
]]

Not discussed.

** Issue 5.18 - Unique names assumption

[[
ACTION:  Dan Connolly to write up the 'all different' proposal for Issue
5.18.
ACTION: Chair to followup with Dan C re: Unique names

Cf. also Jos's message:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0041.html
]]
Not discussed.

** Issue 15.23: add hasValue to Owl Lite
[[
Deb's issue description
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Oct/0196.html
plus thread
]]
Horrocks cannot live with hasValue in OWL Lite.
McGuiness cannot live with it not in OWL Lite.

4) DOCUMENT STATUS (5-10 min)

Not reached.


5) AOB (0-5 min.)

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