- From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:08:40 -0700
- To: www-tag@w3.org
I meant to say that the minutes of the TAG August 11 Telcon are at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-minutes.html and in text below. All the best, Ashok On 8/13/2011 10:52 AM, ashok malhotra wrote: > Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon > and in text below. > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > TAG Weekly > > 11 Aug 2011 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson, > Noah_Mendelsohn > > Regrets > TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter > > Chair > Noah Mendelsohn > > Scribe > Ashok > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Convene > 2. [6]Administrative > 3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F > 4. [8]Overdue Actions > 5. [9]Telcons in August > * [10]Summary of Action Items > _________________________________________________________ > > <scribe> scribe: Ashok > > <scribe> Scribenick: Ashok > > Convene > > Approval of minutes > > <noah> 14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda > > Minutes appoved without objection > > <noah> 12 July 2011: > [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes > > [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes > > Minutes appoved without objection > > <noah> 4 August 2011: > [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes > > [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes > > Minutes appoved without objection > > Administrative > > Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh > > <noah> HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact > me if you want me to reserve for you. > > <noah> HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah > > Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F > > JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata > > Overdue Actions > > <noah> Sorted by owner: > [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne > r > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner > > <noah> ACTION-566? > > <trackbot> ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper, > organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due > 2011-07-19 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 > > Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop > > <noah> NM: And Yves, of course > > Noah: and PLH > > <noah> NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe > > <noah> YL: Yes > > <noah> NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F? > > <noah> AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working > group charter. > > <noah> AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan > > <noah> NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of > report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra > > <noah> NM: No specific product page, but this: > [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html > > <noah> ACTION-583? > > <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) > organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection > (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 > > <noah> AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of > working group. > > <noah> NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track? > > <noah> AM: Yes > > <jar> [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter > > [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter > > <noah> AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive > weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that. > > <noah> AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter. > > <jar> > [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html > > Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page > ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should > do future work in this area > > <noah> NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding > whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what > scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we > could review that. > > HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area > > <noah> HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set. > > <noah> AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless > someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't > heard that. > > JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework. > > Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have > when using the Web > ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy. > > <jar> You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah > > Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web > > JAR: Framework will not come from us > > <jar> This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on > privacy > > Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this? > > jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table > > <noah> NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area. > > Ashok: Half an hour at most > > Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps > > jar: Dan was going to work on it > > <noah> ACTION-341? > > <trackbot> ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about > security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 > > [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 > > Yves: I will check with Thomas > > <noah> also ACTION-516? > > <trackbot> ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler > about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19 > -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 > > Yves: Charter being discussed > > <noah> NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security > > <noah> YL: Yes. > > <noah> NM: What scope > > <noah> ACTION-515? > > <trackbot> ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for > John) who will publish > [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly > cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html > > <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 > > <noah> AM: Discusion of security wiki > > <jar> Don't we already have a security wiki? > > <jar> Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki. > > <noah> NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about > security > > HT: Need someone to bring something to the table > > <noah> NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about > spinning wheels > > <noah> ACTION-554? > > <trackbot> ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page > for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due: > 2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 > > [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 > > <noah> Email from Tobias Gondrum: > [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html > > [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html > > <noah> AM: He is chair of one of the working groups > > <noah> ACTION-572? > > <trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- > due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 > > [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 > > Yves: keep open so we can discuss > > <noah> ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW > > Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f > time > > <noah> ACTION-519? > > <trackbot> ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural > opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due > 2011-08-02 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 > > Peter: I have not had time to work on this > > <noah> ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18 > > Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18? > > <noah> ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18 > > <trackbot> ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to > scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18 > > <noah> ACTION-583? > > <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) > organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection > (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 > > [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 > > <noah> ACTION-523? > > <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) > build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top > questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- > OPEN > > <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > <noah> AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out > now? > > <noah> NM: Why not comment now if there are problems? > > <noah> AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a > look > > <noah> NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of > F2F discussion. > > <noah> ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30 > > <trackbot> ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of > proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 > due date now 2011-08-30 > > <noah> ACTION-523? > > <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) > build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top > questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- > OPEN > > <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > <noah> AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the > F2F. Discuss where we're going. > > <noah> NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft > product page as input > > <noah> AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters > here. > > <noah> NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion > > <noah> ACTION-523? > > <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) > build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top > questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- > OPEN > > <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 > > <noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30 > > <trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page > for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered > on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30 > > <noah> ACTION-574? > > <trackbot> ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review > [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t > ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30 > -- OPEN > > [32] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 > > <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 > > [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 > > <noah> AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a > lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action. > Jonathan? > > <noah> JAR: Not swapped in. > > <noah> JAR: Ah, host meta. > > <noah> JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't > feel that strongly. > > <noah> JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery. > > <noah> NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests? > > <noah> JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con > > <noah> close ACTION-574 > > <trackbot> ACTION-574 Review > [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t > ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed > > [34] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 > > <noah> ACTION-472? > > <trackbot> ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft > based on comments& review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 > > [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 > > <noah> NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the > work? > > <noah> JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure > next steps. > > <noah> NM: Note product page > [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high > priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure, > etc. > > [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html > > <noah> NM: We WILL discuss at F2F > > <noah> ACTION-531? > > <trackbot> ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on > architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30 > -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 > > [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 > > <noah> NM: Same answer? > > <noah> JAR: Yes. > > <noah> ACTION-509? > > <trackbot> ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG > regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due > 2011-06-15 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 > > [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 > > jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present" > > <jar> > [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html > > [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html > > <noah> From their draft: > > <noah> "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with > fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the > RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom, > which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF > serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities > described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the > expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at > present cover > > jar: I suggested 4 options > > <noah> HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the > architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I > will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have > taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of > fragid-related issues. > > Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other > frag-id issue > > HT: Cross-reference with product page > > <noah> NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date > and move on? > > HT: We should discuss at f2f > > <noah> ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15 > > <trackbot> ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting > the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15 > > <noah> ACTION-478? > > <trackbot> ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of > a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree > from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 > > [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 > > <jar> for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a > hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future > work > > <noah> JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478 > > <noah> Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a > F2F slot? > > Noah: We don't have a product page for this > > <noah> NM: Worth doing product page now? > > <noah> NM: Could clarify what we're about. > > <noah> JAR: Could do at the F2F > > Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical > work > > <noah> ACTION-576? > > <trackbot> ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to > figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially > in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 > > [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 > > <noah> ACTION-541? > > <trackbot> ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a > first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due > 2011-07-26 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 > > [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 > > <noah> Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541 > needs time at the F2F > > <noah> HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media > > Noah: Something that gets published > > <noah> Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed > Recommendation. Does that work? > > HT: Educate people about linking > > Noah: For the media we need something pithy > > <noah> > [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne > r > > [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner > > <noah> ACTION-560? > > <trackbot> ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last > call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 > > [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 > > <noah> ACTION-528? > > <trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus > on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names > -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 > > [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 > > <noah> HT: We've talked about 528 > > <noah> HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of > domains) nothing for me at the F2F > > HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed > frag-ids and persistence of identifiers > > Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft > > Telcons in August > > HT: Cannot do telcon next week > > Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons > > Summary of Action Items > > [End of minutes] > >
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