- From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:52:56 -0700
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon and in text below. [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - TAG Weekly 11 Aug 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc Attendees Present Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson, Noah_Mendelsohn Regrets TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter Chair Noah Mendelsohn Scribe Ashok Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Convene 2. [6]Administrative 3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F 4. [8]Overdue Actions 5. [9]Telcons in August * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <scribe> scribe: Ashok <scribe> Scribenick: Ashok Convene Approval of minutes <noah> 14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda Minutes appoved without objection <noah> 12 July 2011: [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes Minutes appoved without objection <noah> 4 August 2011: [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes Minutes appoved without objection Administrative Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh <noah> HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact me if you want me to reserve for you. <noah> HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata Overdue Actions <noah> Sorted by owner: [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne r [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner <noah> ACTION-566? <trackbot> ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper, organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due 2011-07-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop <noah> NM: And Yves, of course Noah: and PLH <noah> NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe <noah> YL: Yes <noah> NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F? <noah> AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working group charter. <noah> AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan <noah> NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra <noah> NM: No specific product page, but this: [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html <noah> ACTION-583? <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 <noah> AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of working group. <noah> NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track? <noah> AM: Yes <jar> [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter <noah> AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that. <noah> AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter. <jar> [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should do future work in this area <noah> NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we could review that. HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area <noah> HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set. <noah> AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't heard that. JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework. Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have when using the Web ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy. <jar> You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web JAR: Framework will not come from us <jar> This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on privacy Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this? jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table <noah> NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area. Ashok: Half an hour at most Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps jar: Dan was going to work on it <noah> ACTION-341? <trackbot> ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 Yves: I will check with Thomas <noah> also ACTION-516? <trackbot> ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 Yves: Charter being discussed <noah> NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security <noah> YL: Yes. <noah> NM: What scope <noah> ACTION-515? <trackbot> ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for John) who will publish [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 <noah> AM: Discusion of security wiki <jar> Don't we already have a security wiki? <jar> Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki. <noah> NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about security HT: Need someone to bring something to the table <noah> NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about spinning wheels <noah> ACTION-554? <trackbot> ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due: 2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 <noah> Email from Tobias Gondrum: [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html <noah> AM: He is chair of one of the working groups <noah> ACTION-572? <trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 Yves: keep open so we can discuss <noah> ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f time <noah> ACTION-519? <trackbot> ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due 2011-08-02 -- OPEN <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 Peter: I have not had time to work on this <noah> ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18 Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18? <noah> ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18 <trackbot> ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18 <noah> ACTION-583? <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 <noah> ACTION-523? <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- OPEN <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 <noah> AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out now? <noah> NM: Why not comment now if there are problems? <noah> AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a look <noah> NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of F2F discussion. <noah> ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30 <trackbot> ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 due date now 2011-08-30 <noah> ACTION-523? <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- OPEN <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 <noah> AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the F2F. Discuss where we're going. <noah> NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft product page as input <noah> AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters here. <noah> NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion <noah> ACTION-523? <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- OPEN <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 <noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30 <trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30 <noah> ACTION-574? <trackbot> ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN [32] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 <noah> AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action. Jonathan? <noah> JAR: Not swapped in. <noah> JAR: Ah, host meta. <noah> JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't feel that strongly. <noah> JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery. <noah> NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests? <noah> JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con <noah> close ACTION-574 <trackbot> ACTION-574 Review [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed [34] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 <noah> ACTION-472? <trackbot> ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft based on comments& review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 <noah> NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the work? <noah> JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure next steps. <noah> NM: Note product page [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure, etc. [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html <noah> NM: We WILL discuss at F2F <noah> ACTION-531? <trackbot> ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 <noah> NM: Same answer? <noah> JAR: Yes. <noah> ACTION-509? <trackbot> ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present" <jar> [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html <noah> From their draft: <noah> "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom, which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at present cover jar: I suggested 4 options <noah> HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of fragid-related issues. Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other frag-id issue HT: Cross-reference with product page <noah> NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date and move on? HT: We should discuss at f2f <noah> ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15 <trackbot> ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15 <noah> ACTION-478? <trackbot> ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 <jar> for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future work <noah> JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478 <noah> Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a F2F slot? Noah: We don't have a product page for this <noah> NM: Worth doing product page now? <noah> NM: Could clarify what we're about. <noah> JAR: Could do at the F2F Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical work <noah> ACTION-576? <trackbot> ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 <noah> ACTION-541? <trackbot> ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due 2011-07-26 -- OPEN <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 <noah> Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541 needs time at the F2F <noah> HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media Noah: Something that gets published <noah> Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed Recommendation. Does that work? HT: Educate people about linking Noah: For the media we need something pithy <noah> [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne r [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner <noah> ACTION-560? <trackbot> ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN <trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 <noah> ACTION-528? <trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 <noah> HT: We've talked about 528 <noah> HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of domains) nothing for me at the F2F HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed frag-ids and persistence of identifiers Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft Telcons in August HT: Cannot do telcon next week Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] -- All the best, Ashok
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