- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:50:53 -0500
- To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
- Cc: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Ashok: you have not marked your action PENDING REVIEW, but your note seems
to merit telcon discussion? Whether it gets scheduled for this week
depends in part on whether I hear from you before the agenda is frozen,
which >should< be in a few hours but may well take until evening, Eastern
Time. There are some other high priority items, so we may not get to it
anyway, but I'll be glad to at least list it if you think it's ready for
discussion. Thank you.
Noah
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ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
Sent by: www-tag-request@w3.org
02/23/2010 11:31 AM
Please respond to ashok.malhotra
To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
cc: (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM)
Subject: TAG Action-354 Review client-side storage API’s
My earlier note on this action is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0008.html
On the Feb 5 telcon I was asked to do some more work on ACTION-354,
partly to respond to Mark
Nottingham --
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0077.html --
who asks "I think the key question here is what the relationship of
these new proposals to existing ones;
the Web already has caching, and it already has stateful cookies (both
of which, BTW, are currently
being revised in the IETF)."
As I said in my earlier note, there are two drafts that replace/extend
cookies.
Web SQL Database <http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/>
Indexed Database API <http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebSimpleDB/>
I asked Ian Hickson, the author of the first of these drafts the
rationale behind them. Ian replied:
"Cookies are unreliable, sent to the server, have a small quota, and
have a terrible API. Web Storage is intended to fix that.
Web SQL Database, Web Storage, and the new Indexed Database ... have more
or less the same use cases, except the database versions are intended for
more structured indexable and queryable data. For example, consider GMail
going offline. You want a highly
structured data store. Obviously cookies aren't going to cut it if you
have gigabytes of mail."
The other spec we discussed on the Feb 5 call was Programmable HTTP
Caching and Serving <http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DataCache/>
The rationale behind this is easier to figure out. Essentially, it allows
modification of the cache under program control (adding/deleting values).
It allows the cache to be
shared across multiple browser windows and it allows the cache to be used
while the user
is offline.
Some feel that to enable real applications to be run from the browser you
need to
be able to work with a database. The two specs discussed above facilitate
this but,
in my personal opinion, do not go far enough. It seems to me that what
you need is
the ability to run SQL queries from Javascript. The SQL queries could be
identified
by URIs. The result is then packaged in a suitable form and sent to the
client where
it is unpacked and added to the application cache.
--
All the best, Ashok
Received on Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:51:27 UTC