- From: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 02:05:53 +0200
- To: Morten Stenshorne <mstensho@opera.com>
- Cc: www-style@gtalbot.org, "www-style mailing list" <www-style@w3.org>
Morten Stenshorne wrote:
> > As for implementations, here's a test document:
> >
> > http://people.opera.com/howcome/2013/tests/multicol-fill2.html
> >
> > The results are:
> >
> > force-balances unconstrained honors explicit column breaks
> > columns in continous media in continous media
> >
> > Opera/presto sometimes(*) yes
> > Gecko no no (column breaks not supported
> > Prince no yes
> > AntennaHouse no yes
> > IE yes yes (but only after balancing)
> >
> > (*) in the test document Opera/Presto balances the first div, but
> > not the second. Due to there being an explicit column break?
>
> There are only 2 columns. When there's one explicit break, how can we
> balance anything?
Fair point. Here's a test with three and four columns and more column breaks:
http://people.opera.com/howcome/2013/tests/multicol-fill3.html
It seems that Opera/presto balances, indeed. And that IE11 will always
create overflow column(s) when explicit column breaks appear (somtes
one, sometimes two.)
Revised results:
force-balances unconstrained honors explicit column breaks
columns in continous media in continous media
Opera/presto yes yes
Gecko no no
Prince no yes
AntennaHouse no yes
IE yes yes
> There's only one column left and no implicit breaks
> available to play with. Looks like IE10 fails to realize this and
> creates an overflowing column instead. That looks like a bug to me.
I agree that creating overflow columns in these cases are sub-optimal
-- if the height is unconstrained and there is room for all explicit
column breaks, I don's see the need to create overflow columns.
> > So, in conclusion, it seems we have more implementatations that do not
> > force-balance unconstrained columns in continous media.
>
> That depends on how you count. :) Something has happened to the Gecko
> implementation recently, but it too used to follow the spec (the CR
> still says that we should force-balance under certain circumstances).
>
> height:auto; column-fill:auto; causes force-balancing in BOTH major
> *browser* engines (Presto (no jokes about "major", please) and Trident)
> that have a complete implementation of multicol. The two other engines,
> Gecko (until recently) and WebKit, also cause force-balancing here, but
> that's just because they don't support the column-fill property.
>
> Now Gecko has changed, perhaps based on what the ED says. It now
> supports column-fill, and it doesn't force-balance, and this is a
> violation of the CR (but correct, according to the ED).
Yes, the ED was changed here:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Dec/0100.html
> That said, the proposed change (never force-balance) does simplify
> things. If nobody has anything against it and this doesn't break the
> web, I suppose making an backwards-incompatible change to the spec is
> fine.
I hope to discuss this at the next F2F meeting.
Cheers,
-h&kon
Håkon Wium Lie CTO °þe®ª
howcome@opera.com http://people.opera.com/howcome
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