- From: Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:35:14 +0200
- To: "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <aharon@google.com>
- Cc: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org, Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <OF64EA033A.1C3A3C2F-ONC225793A.002D61E0-C225793A.002F333F@il.ibm.com>
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that plaintext paragraphs should be
aligned in sync with paragraph direction for "text-align:start", opposite
to paragraph direction for "text-align:end", to absolute right or left for
"text-align:right" and "text-align:left" respectively.
"text-align:center" should not be a problem.
"text-align:justify" should not be a problem for lines down to the last
one in the paragraph. The last one should be handled like for
"text-align:start".
The advantage of this proposal is that it provides more readability for
common cases when most paragraphs follow the same direction and span at
least a few lines.
For special cases when there are very short paragraphs with alternate
directions, the author can specify "text-align:right" or
"text-align:left", so we get the advantages of both solutions (Gecko and
Chrome).
Shalom (Regards), Mati
Bidi Architect
Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
IBM Israel
Mobile: +972 52 2554160
From: "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <aharon@google.com>
To: Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>
Cc: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Date: 31/10/2011 00:27
Subject: Re: Alignment of paragraphs with unicode-bidi: plaintext
I can see arguments for either approach being better. On the one hand,
text is more readable aligned to its own start side. On the other hand,
paragraphs with alternating alignment, especially when many are less than
half a line long, can look "jagged", and in extreme cases can result in
the user not even noticing the paragraphs aligned to the minority side.
Furthermore, we would need to specify how allowing plaintext to base
alignment on paragraph direction would play with text-align. Is it
supposed to be limited to "text-align:start" and "text-align:end"?
I would very much like to hear what people think about this.
Aharon
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>
wrote:
As far as I can see, there is no explicit specification in CSS Writing
Modes Module Level 3 of what effect "unicode-bidi: plaintext" should have
on the default alignment of paragraphs.
When implementing "unicode-bidi: plaintext" for Gecko, I took it for
granted that each paragraph in the element would determine its
directionality by the heuristic in the UBA, and then determine the start
of the line box depending on the directionality of the paragraph.
I just noticed that recent versions of Chrome behave differently:
directionality is determined for each paragraph separately, but alignment
is determined by the first paragraph in the element, and all subsequent
paragraphs get the same alignment.
As I said, there doesn't seem to be anything in the spec to say which
approach is correct. I think the behaviour in Gecko is more intuitive and
useful, but then I would, wouldn't I? Either way, it is probably worth
adding something to the spec to make it explicit.
Received on Monday, 31 October 2011 08:38:41 UTC