- From: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:31:20 +0200
- To: www-style@w3.org
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:28 AM, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net> wrote: > As for Henri's proposal of maintaining multiple features that do the > same thing with varying levels of brokenness in order to drop prefixes > as soon as implementations exist... that is weighting immediate > gratification far too heavily against the coherency, understandability, > and implementability of CSS going forward. It seems that I have not communicated my proposal clearly enough. I'm not suggesting maintaining multiple features that do the same thing with varying levels of brokenness as a general solution. In general, I hope the outcome from baking a feature first in experimental builds and then shipping it unprefixed would be that unprefixed good features get out there sooner without having to wait for them to be tweaked to perfection while authors move to a de facto standard parallel system. I was suggesting that if *occasionally* a feature gets stuck in a notably unideal design due to having been deployed without enough polishing before too much existing content has accumulated, introducing a second feature that fixes it is less bad than the current model where almost *all* features go through a breaking step (from prefixed to unprefixed) and often exist for an extended period of time with varying levels of brokenness (in different engines with different prefixes). The process I'm proposing is: 1) Come up with a feature and write a spec draft for it. 2) Send email about it to www-style. 3) Change the design to take into account comments from www-style. (Or if others convinced you that the feature was really bad, abandon the idea here.) 4) Implement the feature in nightly builds (but don't let it leak to releases); document what was implemented as a spec draft. 5) Send email about the implementation to www-style. 6) Change the design to take into account comments from www-style. (Or if others convinced you that the feature was really bad, abandon the idea here and delete the code.) 7) Iterate steps 4 through 6 8) When you are convinced that the feature is good enough to let the future be constrained by it and you feel that it's so good that it doesn't make sense to withold it from releases anymore, ship it without a prefix in a release. 9) Keep tweaking details that can still be changed without breaking too much content that has accumulated already. 10) Consider the feature done when there's no need to change it anymore or there's so much legacy content that it can't be changed anymore. I expect that this process would lead to authors getting stable unprefixed features sooner than in the current model. I expect that features emerging from this process would be good most of the time. It's plausible that occasionally a feature would get to step 10 and still be seriously flawed. In that case, the solution would be introducing another feature that fixes the first one, but I expect that situation to be an exception--not the normal outcome. As for immediate gratification, I think we need to consider some notion of net present value for specs. That is, a good spec soon is more valuable than a perfect spec far in the future, because the spec would have utility between now and the future and there are competing solutions that can take over between now and the future. (Note that competing solutions don't just include non-CSS technologies. They also include vendor-prefixed engine-siloed CSS.) -- Henri Sivonen hsivonen@iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
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