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Re: Frameset/Frame Specification Amendment (HTML+CSS)

From: Andrew Fedoniouk <news@terrainformatica.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:56:43 -0700
Message-ID: <9753EC942BC0439592BF5549642B7CAB@terra3>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, "Brad Kemper" <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
Cc: "Axel Dahmen" <brille1@hotmail.com>, <www-style@w3.org>

From: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "Brad Kemper" <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
Cc: "Axel Dahmen" <brille1@hotmail.com>; <www-style@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Frameset/Frame Specification Amendment (HTML+CSS)

> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:29 PM, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> What's the value in expanding CSS's ability to style frames, though?
>>> We don't want to encourage their use
>> You don't, and a lot of other frames-haters don't, but I don't see that 
>> it
>> should br the role of this WG to discourage the use of particular element 
>> of
>> valid, non-deprecated HTML because of the design challenges associated 
>> with
>> them. It is within our purview to see if there are reasonable ways to 
>> allow
>> CSS styling of such elements in a way that is intuitive and predictable 
>> (in
>> as much as we do with other replaced elements), instead of relying on the
>> markup language only to do so.
> It is deprecated, though.  <frame> and <frameset> are explicitly *not*
> in the Elements of HTML chapter of HTML5, and instead are described in
> the Obsolete Features chapter as a requirement for browsers in order
> to correctly render legacy content.
> It's really not worth our time or effort to work on this, imo.

frameset/frame per se is indeed out of scope of CSS but
styling of framesets (that can be made of iframes) *is* a subject
of CSS discussion. The point is that not HTML5 nor CSS3 provide
features that are in frameset e.g. splitters and their specific view-span
layout features. Without providing alternative ways of reproducing
alternative (hopefully better) ways of achieving the same behaviors
obsoleting <frameset>'s is just a good wish.

Andrew Fedoniouk


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