- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:57:11 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Summary:
- RESOLVED: Accept Sylvain's proposal for CSS2.1 Issue 61
http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-61
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
- Reviewed CSS3 Image Values draft, fantasai to add some more explanation
before publication as FPWD.
- Skimmed a few more issues before closing due to lack of quorum.
====== Full minutes below ======
Attendees:
César Acebal
David Baron
Arron Eicholz
Elika Etemad
Sylvain Galineau
Daniel Glazman (chair)
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-CSS-irc
<annevk> fantasai, while I'm still here, page-break would become sugar for
break, not the other way around
<fantasai> ok
ScribeNick: fantasai
Note: We do not have enough people for full discussions.
CSS2.1 Issue 61
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<sgalineau> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-61
Sylvain: Has to do with defining percentage heights for internal table elements.
Sylvain: Spec says it should compute to 'auto'
Sylvain: but in practice this is not what happens.
Sylvain: Everybody does something different
Sylvain: One thing to do is make it undefined
Glazou: browser vendors very unlikely to change things wrt percentage heights
in time for 2.1.
Sylvain: They might do it before 2.1, but it would take a long time to develop
and agree on an algorithm
Glazou: It's a can of worms, it would take ages to specify everything. We
don't have time.
Sylvain and glazou would like to define this, but must be pragmatic for CSS2.1
<glazou> oyvinds, annevk : opinion ?
<glazou> can you join the call BTW ?
<oyvinds> I defer to my senior colleagues
<oyvinds> counting annevk as one in terms of specs experience
<glazou> but your senior colleagues are not here
RESOLVED: proposal accepted for css2.1 issue 61
<Zakim> +dbaron
glazou summarizes the call so far for dbaron
dbaron agrees with resolution
<Zakim> +arronei; got it
CSS3 Image Values
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<glazou> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/
fantasai summarizes what's in the css3-images draft
example of image():
background-image: image(wavy.svg, 'wavy.png' 150dpi, "wavy.gif" or blue);
ACTION fantasai: add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue)
fantasai: using 'or' instead of comma for the color b/c draft currently
allows unquoted URLs (that don't contain problematic chars)
fantasai: Sprites section unwritten, link to discussions
fantasai: Inspired mainly by Jorrit's arguments, e.g.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jan/0284.html
<fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html
gives a very good explanation of why media fragments wg's work is
important to css
glazou: sprite proposal from Jorrit is something in between constants and variables and images
glazou: if we come up with a good solution for this section, the media fragment wg's work will be less critical
fantasai: Resolution units -- introduce dppx
fantasai: Lets authors use higher resolution for high-res monitors, e.g. when
UA uses 2 device pixels per px, while keeping crispness of images
by aligning on pixel boundaries.
fantasai: dppx also allows us to give 1dppx as default value for the
'image-resolution' property, leaving 'auto' to be used for
"do the right thing and use the image's internal resolution"
glazou: publish as FPWD?
dbaron: Would like Daniel's suggested example of fallback color with bgcolor
<dbaron> (1) Daniel's comment about fallback color interacting with 'background-color'
<dbaron> (2) having a bit of an introduction to the "Image Sprites" section
<dbaron> to explain how it's different from slices
ACTION fantasai: add intro to sprites section
Other Topics
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dbaron: for issues in transitions, I still have more comments
dbaron: I'm generally picking whatever is easiest for me as an implementor,
worry about matching the spec later when there's someone to discuss
the spec with
dbaron: when there's someone to discuss the spec with
<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0055.html
dbaron: There are a whole bunch of archived comments on css3-lists more
substantive than that
dbaron: when we have an editor, the editor should go through www-style
and find them all. We don't need to discuss this right now.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html ?
<fantasai> need hyatt's feedback, too. He said he'd look at css3-background
changes and issues this week
nothing else we can discuss today
meeting closed
Received on Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:59:23 UTC