- From: Jorrit Vermeiren <mercator+w3c@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 03:47:45 +0200
- To: public-media-fragment@w3.org
- Cc: www-style@w3.org
Dear Media Fragments Working Group, There has recently been some discussion of the use of sprites on the CSS WG mailing list (see the threads [1][2][3][4][5][6]). CSS sprites [7] are being used more and more these days, in particular by large websites such as Google, Yahoo and Amazon [8][9]. The main reason for their increasing use is the reduced number of HTTP requests required (only 1 large image is downloaded instead of possibly dozens of smaller ones), which results in significant performance gains [10][11]. As described in [7], though, before Yahoo published their rules, and this is probably still the case for most websites, sprites were just used as a convenient way to create rollover effects (and other states) for menus and buttons without the need for JavaScript, and saving slice-and-dice work to boot. However, the way sprites are currently achieved is essentially just a hack, which has its limitations. Suggestions that have come up on the www-style mailing list to improve their support range from new properties that lift some of the current limitations to proposals for proper sprite support in CSS. Bert Bos, however, rightly pointed out [5] that sprites are not limited to CSS and referred me to the Media Fragments WG. Having read the "Use cases and requirements" [12], sprites seem to be covered by the "Region of an Image" use case (4.1.2), and the spatial fragment dimension syntax (6.2.2). Section 7, however, indicates that retrieving a media fragment would result in a separate, partial request for each fragment, rather than a request for the entire resource. This isn't very desirable for the use of sprites. The whole saving-HTTP-requests thing might not be a big point for your average multi-state menu sprite, but the main thing with those sprites is basically that you've stuck all these images together because you know you're going to need all of them anyway, making it kind of pointless to go and request each fragment separately again. So as I understand it, CSS sprites are the client-side version of the server-side media fragments. Do they still form a use case that fits within the scope of the Media Fragments WG? Would it be possible to add some sort of client-side version of a media fragment which would let the UA do the fragmenting itself, rather than having it do a ranged request to the server? Or would there be some other solution that could be used universally, and not just by CSS? Regards, Jorrit [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Nov/0279.html [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jan/0181.html [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Feb/0189.html [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0157.html [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0019.html [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0058.html [7] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites [8] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/27/the-mystery-of-css-sprites-techniques-tools-and-tutorials/ [9] http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/css-sprites/ [10] http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2007/04/rule_1_make_few.html [11] http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-reqs-20090430/
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