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Re: Shadows vs. layout

From: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:19:00 -0700
Message-Id: <DA49E5F4-96AD-4189-B5DE-F22D381E2DD0@gmail.com>
To: W3C style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>
Here is another demonstration that shows it is a problem not just with  
the BODY element getting a scroll bar, but other elements as well:


Just hover over the red parts to see scroll bars appear. The lower one  
changes the layout drastically.

By the way, this also shows a difference between box-shadow in Safari  
and Firefox. In Safari, the shadow is visible when you hover over the  
top box, but not in Firefox. I didn't investigate enough to know why.  
Maybe its a bug.

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Brad Kemper wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:12 PM, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM, David Hyatt<hyatt@apple.com> wrote:
>>> Here's another idea that just occurred to me.  We could say that  
>>> shadows,
>>> outlines, etc. can never cause a scrolling mechanism to appear,  
>>> but just
>>> leave it at that.
>>> In other words you never let the shadows cause scrollbars to be  
>>> created (or
>>> destroyed), but if scrollbars happen to already be there (because  
>>> of some
>>> other overflow), then you can safely include the visual overflow  
>>> as part of
>>> the scrolling area.
>> To be honest, that's what I thought we were asking for.  I'm pretty
>> sure it's what I intended to ask for, at least.
>> What's the difference between this and what you thought was being
>> proposed before?
> The difference is that it would still muck with the design by  
> widening and/or deepening the page beyond the where everything else  
> on the page is racked into. So if there was a scrollbar due to  
> content not fitting, the user wouldn't stop at the natural page  
> limits when they scrolled down and/or right.
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