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Re: [css3] “Selectors that People Actually Use”

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:40 +0100
To: "Jens Meiert" <jens.meiert@erde3.com>
Cc: www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <op.t6rnb2ix64w2qv@annevk-t60.oslo.opera.com>

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:46:46 +0100, Jens Meiert <jens.meiert@erde3.com>  
>> > * E:empty – Chances are indeed that authors will use element
>> > selectors instead, and I remember Eric raising other concerns
>> > concerning this pseudo-class [1].
>> Element selectors? Eric's concerns are browser bugs and a slight
>> misunderstanding of <img>.
> Please note the “and”.

I did. "Element selectors?" was referring to that.

> Me, I am talking about probably using element/type selectors instead  
> (for example, using ”hr” instead of ”:empty” on imaginary sites where  
> the only empty element is an “hr”);

How do you imagine to select all empty td elements within a table using  
just a type selector?

>> > * E:lang(fr) – Probably the most questionable selector since
>> > apparently replaceable by attribute selectors.
>> Oh really? I don't think so.
> Could you explain, please? What can you really do with ”:lang()” that is  
> IMPOSSIBLE to do with attribute selectors (not talking about character  
> savings)?

  <div lang="en"><span>This line should have a green  

   span { background:red }
   span:lang(en) { background:lime }

No, parent selectors are not allowed. (Note that language inherits all the  
way from the Content-Language HTTP header so parent selectors wouldn't  
work anyway.)

>> I'd expect a few people to make examples on how you can put them to use
>> and authors to follow by copy and pasting.
> Probably “trivial objection” wasn't clear, it was just a simple remark  
> that I do not expect heavy use of these selectors, which, again, must  
> not mean anything here. Sure, I could have dropped the note entirely,  
> but I haven't been aware that all words get weighed now.

I can't really predict how heavily they will be used, but I imagine that  
pretty much everyone will use at least the simple variant of :nth-child  
for tables once all browsers support it properly.

Anne van Kesteren
Received on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 09:54:19 UTC

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