- From: fantasai <fantasai@escape.com>
- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:24:17 -0400
- To: www-style@w3.org
Sean Palmer wrote:
| fantasai wrote:
| > Sean Palmer wrote:
| > | How do you suggest we specify altenative aural content in XHTML?
| >
| > Generally speaking, there is no need to put alternative content for
| > pure text, ne?
|
| I'm refering to grouped hypertext and other optional data that aural
| browser users don't want to hear again and again.
I quoth:
| Name: alt.
| Provides an alternative content for User Agents to render if they find
| the current content unrenderable.
This is to what I was referring.
You also wrote:
| Can also be used in conunction with the 'skip' property to provide a
| frag ID or URI to skip to when styled content is bypassed. <uri> (URI
| for the alternative content), or 'none' (none).
To which I did not allude.
| *This is a WAI-WCAG requirement*: as per: (for example)
| http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/NOTE-WCAG10-HTML-TECHS-20000920/#group-bypass
| "13.6 Group related links, identify the group (for user agents), and, until
| user agents do so, provide a way to bypass the group. [Priority 3] "
|
| We could/should do that with CSS!
Depends on how you do it, actually.
| > As for images, they have alt, which replaces the image with text. Objects
| > can have textual content that won't be rendered by UAs supporting the
| > embedded media. And any future replaced elements should follow the same
| > model of having a fallback.
|
| You're missing the point here entirely: I'm using this to replace navbars,
| and other content in the DOM styled as optional. That's a valid WAI use that
| isn't currently implementable in XHTML. It should be required that we have
| it in CSS(3).
As for missing the point, see above.
As for this use not currently implementable in XHTML, see
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#group-bypass
What do you want to replace the content with, though? Would you give me an
example? I'm not entirely sure I understand the (second) purpose of this 'alt'.
| > So, as far as I can see, there is already alternative content available
| > for that which is unrenderable by the aural browser. Am I missing
| > something?
|
| If you are refering to the 'content' property, I am suggesting we have an
| explicit 'alt' property as well.
I am referring to the ability of (X)HTML to specify its own alternate content
for unrenderable media.
| > | It's a style concern.
| > How so? You're replacing content, not specifying how to style what's
| > there!
|
| So explain the CSS content: property then! If that's a style, then so is
| this...
em:before, em:after {content: '/'}
This sentence contains an /emphasized/ word.
Received on Monday, 16 October 2000 11:24:01 UTC