- From: Andrew n marshall <amarshal@usc.edu>
- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:41:23 -0800
- To: "'Liam Quinn'" <liam@htmlhelp.com>, "www-html@w3.org" <www-html@w3.org>
- Cc: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
On Friday, November 28, 1997 7:59 PM, Liam Quinn [SMTP:liam@htmlhelp.com]
wrote:
> What happens if the author does not want styles inherited into an
included
> HTML document? If OBJECT allowed styles to inherit, there would be no
way
> for an author to specify that the styles should not inherit.
Fair enough. Then I suggest there should be a way to change that in the
<OBJECT> tag. Perhaps the next release of HTML should include the a
property, like the following:
<OBJECT INHERIT="style">
where the default value is "none", maintaining a backwards compatibility
with the current standard. This could also be extended to provide a list
of inherited properties, such as "target". Any stylesheets or base targets
found in the included document override those inherited values.
> For this
> reason, I think we should maintain the distinction between OBJECT and
> server-side includes. OBJECT embeds completely independent documents
> while server-side includes embed portions of documents that are (mostly)
> dependent on their "parent" for determining the base URL and style.
There are several reasons why we shouldn't be relying on server-side
includes. First off, there may not always be a server. HTML should be
designed so a site can work from disk, just as well as is could work from a
web server. And it should be just as easy to maintain.
Secondly, the major reason authors don't utilize SSI's is because they
aren't consistent between different servers. It is a big advantage to know
your site can be copied between systems as still work perfectly because it
doesn't rely on the server in that way.
On Friday, November 28, 1997 8:22 PM, gordon [SMTP:gordon@gly.fsu.edu]
wrote:
> That's not such a bad thing. It's easy enough to include the same style
> sheet, and just as easy for the included document to stand out with its
own
> style.
The problem here is that style is location dependent. Therefore a <OBJECT>
tag within <H1> block would have a very different appearance than an object
tag within a <P> tag.
On Saturday, November 29, 1997 9:53 AM, Liam Quinn [SMTP:liam@htmlhelp.com]
wrote:
> But then you have an extra trip to the server, and an extra download for
> the client.
This should only be once for the whole site for an included document, such
as an navigational aid. This isn't a
And the biggest reason I would like to see style explicitly inherited is to
provide a mechanism to inherit the current typeface (and other attributes
into objects other than just HTML. The use of CSS is being discussed for
SMIL on the www-multimedia list. Inheritance should be an issue. And I
would really like to inherit the current font into my Java applets when I
make custom controls as well, so I don't need to explicitly change that too
and I can assume the font is readable!
Andrew n marshall
student - artist - programmer
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