- From: Richard H. McCullough <rhm@cdepot.net>
- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:28:55 -0800
- To: "Frank Manola" <fmanola@mitre.org>
- Cc: <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>, "David Menendez" <zednenem@psualum.com>, "Brian McBride" <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- Message-ID: <002d01c291be$2487f9a0$bd7ba8c0@rhm8200>
I don't think intension vs. extension is the issue here; the whole point is that the rdfs:subClassOf property does not rule out the alternative that the two Classes are identical, i.e., subsume the same group of individuals. In reality, intension and extension are inseparable. In RDFS, I don't think intension is considered. I think rdf:type is still evaluated in terms of extension. Whew, what a lot of "I think"s! I'm just telling you how I understand it to be. ============ Dick McCullough knowledge := man do identify od existent done knowledge haspart list of proposition ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Manola To: Richard H. McCullough Cc: www-rdf-interest@w3.org ; David Menendez ; Brian McBride Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: subclasses (RDF vocabulary definitions) Richard H. McCullough wrote: > Brian said: > > [[ll classes are subclasses of themselves. > <<this is true, but RDF Schema should use proper subsets instead of subsets. > Using subsets logically permits such absurdities as: the set of all men is > identical to the set of all animals.>>]] > > I'm intrigued by that one. We have a major flaw if that is true. Care to > explain? I'm intrigued too, but I'd like to discuss this in terms of logical entailments and extensions, rather than KR notation (and yes, I understand the difference between subsets and proper subsets). Background: This started with Brian saying: > A class A is a subclass of a class B if and only if all the members of A > are also members of B. > All classes are subclasses of themselves. > <<this is true, but RDF Schema should use proper subsets instead of subsets. > Using subsets logically permits such absurdities as: the set of all men is > identical to the set of all animals.>> (with your comment delimited by <<>>). My impression is that the basic problem here is trying to consider subclass as specifying an intensional rather than an extensional relationship. In RDFS, a class is a resource that represents the set of things which have that class as the value of their rdf:type property. Given that definition, it certainly could be true that at any given point, the class Man (i.e., the set of things that have class Man as the value of their rdf:type property) could be the same as (have the same members as) the class Animal (the set of things that have class Animal as the value of their rdf:type property). However, there is no specification that the two classes are (or could be) intensionally identical. All the Semantics spec (entailment rdfs9) says is that Man rdfs:subClassOf Animal aaa rdf:type Man entails aaa rdf:type Animal It does NOT say that Man rdfs:subClassOf Animal aaa rdf:type Animal entails aaa rdf:type Man Could you cast what you see as the problem is these terms? --Frank -- Frank Manola The MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road, MS A345 Bedford, MA 01730-1420 mailto:fmanola@mitre.org voice: 781-271-8147 FAX: 781-271-875
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