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Fwd: Web Components vs Extract Widget patent

From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:14:49 -0400
Message-ID: <555C88C9.1010601@gmail.com>
To: "www-archive@w3.org" <www-archive@w3.org>
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Subject: 	Web Components vs Extract Widget patent
Date: 	Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:30:40 +0200
From: 	Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail.com>
To: 	art.barstow@gmail.com

Hi Art,

Maybe you are already aware of it since we questioned Google about it
some months ago.

While trying to participate to different W3C APIs, I completely missed
the Web Components specifications, for the reason explained below.

We own the patent hereattached, it is in French, trying to translate the
specific patent language for the main claim gives:

1- A process to display a gadget coming from a source web page from a
web site in a target web page including the following steps:
      a) individualization of different objects contained in the source
web page, each of them being defined by a proper content and proper
description parameters describing a structure of the object
      b) selection of at least one of the object in the source page
      c) selective extraction, for the selected object, of its
description parameters and its content, or of its description parameters
alone; and
      d) display of the gadget in the target web page, from the
description parameters and content, or from the description parameters

This is very exactly what the "Web Component" specifications are doing,
we have checked the anteriority and from our standpoint clearly nothing
related did exist before we issued the patent in 2010.

Therefore the projects implementing these specifications such as Google
Polymer and Mozilla X-Tags, are reusing the concepts of the patent and
an exception should be made for them in France.

The patent extends the perimeter of the Web Components, since
additionnaly it describes methods (called "Extract Widget" [1]) to
extract real time web pieces and to retarget it on any devices, such as

Ironically, the same that is presenting the Web Components as a big
revolution in the web development today, Google, did kill all of our
projects ([2] to [8]) around this patent some years ago when Google
deprecated its Search API, and Google did not seem to really study at
that time our queries regarding possible synergies between the patent's
concepts and their projects, exactly related to what they are doing today.

We are more focusing now on privacy/anonymity projects ([9] and [10]),
so we have not checked yet very precisely who could possibly reuse some
other parts of the patent but we will.

We are willing to transfer the rights of the patent asssuming that it
can help us to finance these projects and solve some difficult issues,
for example with the French government organism Oseo/Bpifrance,
supposedly in charge of financing innovation and helping startups, who
gave us a loan for the project BlimpMe! and is now harassing us to

Thanks to let us know what is the position of the W3C regarding this
matter, we will advise accordingly Mozilla and others that implement/use
the API, maybe this can be coordinated at the W3C level but we already
let some long time to get feedback and did not get much, so
unfortunately due to some constraints we have mentioned above we might
have to take some other actions.



[1] http://www.extractwidget.com
[2] http://www.blimpme.com
[3] http://www.mytoocool.com
[4] http://www.mongadget.com
[5] https://github.com/Ayms/node-bot
[6] https://github.com/Ayms/node-gadgets
[7] https://github.com/Ayms/node-dom
[8] https://github.com/Ayms/node-googleSearch
[9] http://www.peersm.com and https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
[10] http://torrent-live.org and https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live

Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org
Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms

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