- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:57:14 -0400
- To: Marc Hadley <marc.hadley@sun.com>, henrikn@microsoft.com, mgudgin@microsoft.com, moreau@crf.canon.fr, Nilo.Mitra@am1.ericsson.se, jones@research.att.com, fallside@us.ibm.com, gdaniels@macromedia.com
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============================================================== I expect to be submitting the following to distApp within the next day or two as a proposed new issue. I think the note is self-explanatory, but I wanted to show it in advance to those of you who have been involved in informal discussion of this issue, and also to one or two more whom I thought might be interested. Comments welcome (but I will mostly be at DevCon the next few days, and then at Schema WG Monday and Tues. If you think this is good enough to start discussion on distApp, let me know and I'll put it there asap. We can decide what if anything to actually do with the proposal once that's done.) Thanks. Noah ============================================================== At the face-to-face on the West Coast at SAS, several us noticed and began privately discussing what we now believe is a problem that needs at least some attention in the specification. Specifically, there is a use case that more or less all of us have come to believe is important, and for which the specification is at best ambiguous and at worst in capable of meeting without republication. Several of us have come up with a proposed resolution that we believe to be straightforward, low risk, and within the bounds of what we can reasonably do without going back to last call. I am indebted to Mark Jones for first pointing this out, and to numerous others including Henrik and Marc Hadley for helpful discussion and comment. Particular thanks to Henrik for helping me to refine early drafts of this note. The Problem ----------- Among the reasons that we have the "next" role is for headers that carry information to be available to all downstream nodes. One of the simplest scenarios would be to have such a header that would travel with the message, to be available to those nodes that "understand" the header, and to be ignored and passed on by nodes that do not understand it. As a simple example, I might want to put in the header indicating the time at which the message was originally sent. More substantively, I might wish to put in a digital signature, to be checked by those who care, and ignored but retained by others. SOAP 1.2 as proposed cannot support these simple scenarios. Why? Because section 2.7.1 makes clear that a forwarding intermediary MUST remove from the message all headers targeted to it, and can trigger reinsertion only by processing and understanding a header. In the case where you don't understand the header, you must remove it. It's essential to note that we are considering the case of mustUnderstand='false'; there is no problem with the 'true' case. Approaches to Resolving the Problem ----------------------------------- Discussion of this problem has been going on at a low level for awhile, in part because some of us have been trying to decide whether the existing specification can somehow be made to do the right thing. Given that we are in last call, that would obviously be a desirable approach. So, here I briefly outline some of the approaches that were considered, and then in the next section I propose one that seems to some of us to be the best. It is tempting to ask whether a user might be able to design specific headers and/or roles that would meet the need. In other words: if I define a role and some headers to use with it, then I could say that you wouldn't assume that role unless you knew the specification for at least one of the headers, and that specification would implement a feature to change the relay rules for that role. My personal conclusion is that this is possible in principle, but would not be practical when one considers the way that most SOAP software will in fact be built. Reason: the core rules regarding the relaying of headers are baked into section 2.7.1, and in practice will often be implemented by general-purpose SOAP middleware. The key point is that such middleware will in general be written to treat all user-defined roles identically. Allowing particular roles to change the relay rules requires that such middleware have pluggable handlers that key on specific role names, and this is something that few of us anticipate doing. There is another alternative which is also coherent, and indeed is more powerful than the one proposed below, but which seems to be overkill and would probably take us back to last call. That alternative would be to introduce a new attribute for use on header entries along the lines of relayIfNotProcessed='true'. Thus: <soap:Header> <nrm:myHeader role="..any role you like..." mustUnderstand="false" relayIfNotProcessed="true"> ... </nrm:myHeader> </soap:Header> This seems to work, and has the capability of working with any role. It just seems like more power and complexity than we need to deal with the specific use case. If we were to get serious about this proposal, there would be several details requiring refinement, but for now I am just suggesting that this is not the direction to go. A Proposal ---------- Having done the above analysis, we conclude that: * The use case is important that we must find a way to meet it * The draft as written doesn't give explanation of how * We need a simple, minimally invasive fix to what we have We propose one new builtin role to be called: http://www.w3.org/2002/06/soap-envelope/role/relay . In most respects, this role would be like any other. Any intermediary or ultimate receiver MAY choose to assume this role. The one significant difference, and it is one that we believe has to be baked into the specification from day one, is that section 2.7.1 will be changed as follows: <original> Forwarding SOAP intermediaries MUST process the message according to the SOAP processing model defined in 2.6 Processing SOAP Messages. They MUST also remove from the SOAP message all SOAP header blocks targeted at themselves, prior to forwarding, regardless of whether these header blocks were processed or ignored. In addition, forwarding SOAP intermediaries MUST also obey the specification for the SOAP forwarding feature being used. The specification for such a feature MUST describe the required semantics, including the rules describing how the forwarded message is constructed. Such rules MAY describe placement of inserted or reinserted SOAP header blocks. Inserted SOAP header blocks might be indistinguishable from one or more of the header blocks removed above. </original> <proposed> Forwarding SOAP intermediaries MUST process the message according to the SOAP processing model defined in 2.6 Processing SOAP Messages. In addition, when generating a SOAP message for the purpose of forwarding, they MUST: * For any processed SOAP header block, as well as for ignored SOAP header blocks targeted to the node using a role other than http://www.w3.org/2002/06/soap-envelope/role/relay: remove the header block prior to forwarding * Retain all SOAP header blocks that were targeted at the forwarding node using the role "http://www.w3.org/2002/06/soap-envelope/role/relay" but ignored during processing. In addition, forwarding SOAP intermediaries MUST also obey the specification for the SOAP forwarding feature being used. The specification for such a feature MUST describe the required semantics, including the rules describing how the forwarded message is constructed. Such rules MAY describe placement of inserted or reinserted SOAP header blocks. Inserted SOAP header blocks might be indistinguishable from one or more of the header blocks removed above. </proposed> [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/2/06/LC/soap12-part1.html#forwardinter ------------------------------------------------------------------ Noah Mendelsohn Voice: 1-617-693-4036 IBM Corporation Fax: 1-617-693-8676 One Rogers Street Cambridge, MA 02142 ------------------------------------------------------------------
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